Have you ever backed out of selling someone a gun, "just because", of a feeling.

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I must say, with all the downsides to mandatory universal background checks in WA state now, one good thing is that private sales are no longer ever shady. No one is going to through all the hassle of driving and meeting at a gunshop just to fail their transfer background check.
 
I must say, with all the downsides to mandatory universal background checks in WA state now, one good thing is that private sales are no longer ever shady. No one is going to through all the hassle of driving and meeting at a gunshop just to fail their transfer background check.

But you can still decline to sell it if you don't like their clothes, vehicle, or some other measure of their worth...at least that's my takeaway from from this thread. :)
 
I sold off a bunch of guns a few years ago. Just ones I had for a long time, never did anything with, bought on a whim and didn't care for...whatever...so I sold many to officers I worked with. More went to some friends of my wife's. I gave a few as gifts. A few got sold on backpage.com.

I only backed out of one deal that was on a Springfield Armory 38 Super. I got e-mails from a juan_y_carla or something close to that. "Juan and Carla"

When I got to the meeting place a couple of miles from my house, there was a "chort box chebby" with all the stick-on chrome crap you can get at Pep Boys stuck on it, the stupid looking wheels that stick out of the wheel well about 6 inches, and Mexican polka oompa loompa music playing on the stereo and a a guy who no spoke no English with a morbidly obese chick who did.

He never got out of the truck...asked her a million questions in Spanish "but the gun was for her". Right. No se vende amigo, adios.

Si, yo hablamos espanol...but it's one of those things I don't let on. You learn a LOT more that way.
 
Only once. A good friend asked to me get sell his pistol because he was having problems with drugs and was afraid he would do something stupid.

I "sold" it for him at a fair price and stashed it in the back of my gun cabinet, hoping one day he would be in a position to get it back.

A couple of years later he had been through treatment and counseling and had been clean for nearly a year, so I mentioned that I still had the gun and asked if he would be interested in getting it back. He agreed to make payments and buy it back for exactly what I gave him for it.

About halfway through the payments, I noticed he was acting strange......and you can guess the rest of story. He fell off the wagon and was getting high on meth again. I gave him back the money he had given me up to that point and told him that I couldn't sell him the gun.

The funny part is, we are still friends. He did get eventually get clean again, and is clean to this day. But someone else now owns his old Ruger P85.
 
I've had this happen twice.

Once was at a gun show, I was selling off one of the last Saxony Police import H&K P7s from a few years back, and a younger guy came up to me and wanted to buy it, but he wanted to buy it without even looking at it, and it seemed apparent he didn't know what it was he was looking to buy. He wouldn't look me in the eye, and didn't attempt to negotiate the price at all. I asked him to see his driver's license and permit to carry, and he immediately said he'd forgotten them at home, but that he'd give me more money if I sold it to him anyway.

PASS. Sold it to another private party at the same gun show who was more than willing to talk my ear off about wartime production Mausers and old H&K pistols. Considered reporting the first guy to the police running show security, but he skedaddled at high speed before I could find one.

Second time was off of Armslist, selling a Beretta 92A1. Guy seemed fairly normal at first, but wanted to meet to inspect the gun at his girlfriend's place of business, which was pretty local to me. No problem.

So I get there, and he's a little twitchy, but hey, that's not a crime. He's got some Tommy Tactical black chest rig and nylon duty belt setup on a counter and tells me he needs it as a new 'duty gun' for his work for 'Homeland Security.' I even get the line that what he does for DHS is top secret, and he'd have to kill me if he told me. There's no gun in the duty belt holster, all of the pouches are empty, and it's not set up like an actual LE duty belt. Uh huh. Well, I go into my usual spiel about 'Let's see your driver's license and permit to carry...' and surprise, surprise, this guy also left them at home, this time in his 'bulletproof vest.'

So I tell him, OK, you must live pretty close by, just go get it, and we'll meet up again later tonight or whatever.

When I get back to my house, I have a lengthy e-mail saying that he doesn't feel comfortable buying from me, because I don't know that 'law enforcement officers don't need a permit to carry to buy a gun.'

Sure, boss, whatever. You're not a cop. I hope you know that as well as I do. Even if you were, there's no exemption to the state requirement of a permit to purchase or a permit to carry a pistol in order to buy handguns or 'assault weapons' from a dealer, a requirement that I have always made for private sales as well. PASS.

I believe the key to determining whether a sale should go forward is based solely on behavior. I've never judged a buyer by their appearance, their car, their tattoos, or whether or not I like the cut of their jib. Only by what they say and what they do.

Generally speaking, the lawful acceptance of a lawful offer constitutes a contract. Contracts can be terminated, but the rights and obligations of the parties involved vary according to local laws, circumstances, and the terms of the contract.

It is not a good idea to enter into a "deal" and then decide to get out of it, unless you know what you are doing.

A person may refuse to sell to just about anyone for just about any reason, but there are exceptions. But once a lawful sale has been agreed upon, "cancelling the deal" just might not be as simple as it may sound.

If you actually have a "deal" and you decide that you want to "cancel" it, you should have made it your business to know in advance what that would entail in your jurisdiction , and what obligations you might have.

Isn't the solution to this to not agree to a deal until you meet in person? This protects the buyer and the seller and is how I've always done it. I haven't agreed to a lawful sale, I've simply agreed to meet you so that you can see the gun I am selling is as described and I can see that you're not a prohibited person, both of which are preconditions to selling. If both of us are happy with the results of the meeting, then we have a deal.
 
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I've bought and sold quite a few guns over the years and have been lucky meeting good people.
Only time I "backed out" of a sale was about two months ago. I had a short-barrel .22 revolver that I was selling pretty cheap on Armslist.
I got an e-mail from a guy who said he wanted it and wanted to meet up pretty quickly. Said he was buying it as a gift for a family member. In fact, it seemed that he was going into a lot of detail to convince me that's why he was buying it. He used a few buzz words that kinda made me wonder so I went to his FB page. Lots of tats and F this and F that.
I told him I decided to keep the gun.
 
Yes. "Urban youth" type (I think that's the popular nomenclature) at a gun show inquiring a bout my G-Lock fo-fifths (Glock 21) I wanted to sell. His lack of firearms- or other- apparent knowledge, along with inability to even properly dress himself (his pants were falling off, his undergarments were exposed, and his shirt was about 2 sizes too big) made me believe that it wouldn't be a responsible business decision, nor in the best interest of safety, to complete this sale.
 
I've bought and sold several guns over the years. I make it a practice to converse with the guy by phone and ask lots of questions. It doesn't take long to get a feel for the buyer. I backed out once when the guy immediately told me a story about how his family is trying to cheat him out of his rightful inheritance and it would take him while to get the money and could I hold it for awhile and blah, blah, blah. Of course told him no and that I had other plans. Hung up quickly.
 
A new student tonight in Jiu-Jitsu (I'm really new also) has a beard, ponytail, giant ear 'rings' (expand the ear lobes), long skull tattoo on arm.

As he is a very normal and helpful person, there would be no second thoughts seeing him get out of a car to buy my extra AMD-65 'AK', following normal texting or phone call dialogue.
Much of it is the eye contact and use of normal gun vocabulary.

If they have a normal 'profile', you don't 'notice' anything, in contrast to experiences by welldoya and FL_NC etc.
 
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asked him to see his driver's license and permit to carry, and he immediately said he'd forgotten them at home, but that he'd give me more money if I sold it to him anyway.
Yep. This ought to be (and apparently was) a HUGE red flag to anyone selling a gun, or alcohol, or anything else age or residence-related.

I just recently sold a gun, and tried to head that off at the pass. Posted the gun online & was contacted by a guy that wanted it. Texted pics and discussed possible trades for about a day. When we got around to setting the time and place, I just flat out told him that I'd need to see a DL or, better yet, a CHCL or there would be no sale. Fortunately, he showed up with both and had no problem showing them to me. If he'd "left them at home," I would have taken the gun home with me.
 
The first hand gun I bought when I turned 21 was from a retired cop. His method was before he would sell you the gun you had to go pet his dog. His dog looked like flash from the dukes of hazzard I pet it for a minute and he sold me the gun. He told me he had 2 guys come in to buy a gun and his dog tried to bite them so he threw them out, he found out later they were fugitives.
 
Yep. This ought to be (and apparently was) a HUGE red flag to anyone selling a gun, or alcohol, or anything else age or residence-related.

I just recently sold a gun, and tried to head that off at the pass. Posted the gun online & was contacted by a guy that wanted it. Texted pics and discussed possible trades for about a day. When we got around to setting the time and place, I just flat out told him that I'd need to see a DL or, better yet, a CHCL or there would be no sale. Fortunately, he showed up with both and had no problem showing them to me. If he'd "left them at home," I would have taken the gun home with me.

I try to keep a balance... in my state you need a (free) permit to purchase (valid for a year) or a permit to carry (valid to carry and purchase for five years, but costs for the class and the permit application) to buy handguns.

I know some perfectly decent, law-abiding people would occasionally like to have a gun that's off the books. So if that's what they want, then I check their permit and their driver's license, but keep no records of the person to whom I sold it.

My state also requires that private sellers make reasonable efforts to ensure that they are not selling to a prohibited person, so I feel that checking their driver's license and permit is a pretty solid practice to ensure that I stay within the law, am comfortable with my own conscience, but also allow people to buy a gun without going through a dealer and a 4473 if that's their desire.
 
I know some perfectly decent, law-abiding people would occasionally like to have a gun that's off the books. So if that's what they want, then I check their permit and their driver's license, but keep no records of the person to whom I sold it.
Oh, I didn't write down any information on the buyer. Around here, I know LOTS of perfectly decent, law-abiding people who prefer to buy guns "off the books."

Arkansas law doesn't require anything beyond what federal law requires for a sale. So I'd be within my rights to make the sale with an absolute minimum of investigation. That said, because I'm a lawyer, I cannot expect a judge to have any sympathy whatsoever if my sale somehow goes south. In many ways, I don't get the benefit of "I didn't know," especially if it's a question of law.
 
The first gun show I ever went to was when I was a broke grad student. WASR type AKs we're going for $430 at the time.

I took $500 because that was all I had to spend.

I saw a teenager with his family selling a WASR type AK for $320. I gave his dad the money and wandered around with it for a couple hours.

A guy dressed in a security uniform approached me and offered $500 for it. He emphasized no background check.

Needless to say, the gun is hanging out in my closet not being shot for at least 5 years
 
Avoiding background checks is a myth.

Care to explain this "drive by" comment? In many states, Arizona being one of them, you only have to go through and pass a background check if you buy from an FFL. Person to person sales are quite legal, with no "registration" or background checks being necessary. Other than going to an FFL to do a "transfer" if one party makes it conditional for the sale, there is no mechanism in place for a private party to do so. There is also no mechanism for "gun registration" here in Arizona.

So..."Avoiding background checks is a myth"....is a myth.
 
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