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Have you had an ND

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Bazooka Joe71, Aug 23, 2007.


Have you had a ND?

Poll closed Dec 1, 2007.
  1. Yes, I have had an ND

    86 vote(s)
  2. Nope, I haven't had an ND

    132 vote(s)
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  1. Bazooka Joe71

    Bazooka Joe71 Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Southern Indiana
    Seems lately I've been reading alot of ND stories on here. Its not a huge population of people here on THR, but a decent amount of gun owners to get an OK survey to see some percentages.

    Who here has had an ND?

    Feel free to explain if you would like...If not thats OK too, its a private poll.

    I haven't BTW.
  2. pdowg881

    pdowg881 Member

    Mar 14, 2006
    Southern NH
    I don't see a poll yet but no I haven't. And I don't like the mentality by some that it's only a matter of time for us all. Every time the gun leaves or enters my hand the chamber is checked. Maybe I'm home alone dry firing, I get up, grab a drink. When I sit back down I check that chamber no matter what. If you follow the rules each and every second and only handle a gun when you are fully alert and aware then you shouldn't have an ND.
  3. Bazooka Joe71

    Bazooka Joe71 Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Southern Indiana
    Mod's, can you please remove the "AD" from my title please.


    I'll just focus on the ND's

  4. gudel

    gudel Member

    Mar 18, 2003
    United States
    NO, and I don't plan to.
  5. hexidismal

    hexidismal Member

    Sep 3, 2006
    Ulster County, New York
    Nope. I've never had one.. and I don't plan on it. I've seen a couple happen though.
  6. Diamondback6

    Diamondback6 Member

    Apr 30, 2006
    The cesspool of the Upper Left Coast
    Does one with an airsoft-pistol count?:eek:
  7. Bazooka Joe71

    Bazooka Joe71 Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Southern Indiana
    Please elaborate if you don't mind...Just for educational purposes.:D

    Welllllll, I guess this one can slide as long as nobody's eyes were shot out.:D
  8. Old Dog

    Old Dog Member

    Aug 11, 2004
    somewhere on Puget Sound
    Not to make light of these statements, but I'm pretty sure no shooter ever plans to have an ND.

    I'm gonna speak up, since I pretty much know few others will have the cojones to 'fess up to having had an ND.

    I'd bet paychecks Jeff Cooper didn't plan to have his ND -- which he was man enough to admit to. I didn't plan to have mine, either. In fact, I'd have preferred that it never happened. However, I learned from the event. I used to think I was perfect when it came to firearms safety, too.

    Every time this topic comes up (which seems quite often lately), the self-righteous perfectionists among us are gonna pontificate on exactly why they will never experience one of these events. Good for them.

    I've been a gun owner and a shooter since 1966. I've lived around guns all my life, worked with them or carried them almost daily during my adult years as part of my jobs. One evening, many years ago, after a couple of beers , I picked up one of my wife's pistols (yes, an egregious error in judgement), which I just knew was unloaded (since she didn't typically keep this particular piece loaded). The pistol was her new Walther PPK/S, which I thought was pretty cool, and was in need of some dry-firing ... It was, in fact, loaded. A .380 ACP JHP went into our bedroom ceiling. A bit of lightweight spackle and some paint fixed the hole. My pride was another story. But, I learned from this. No, I don't believe that NDs will happen to everyone at some point. But I do believe that they can happen to anyone.

    I didn't think I'd ever have one either.

    It must be great to go through life being fully alert and aware each and every second. Regrettably, in my fifty years, I've not been able to achieve this zen-like state of continuous awareness and constant alertness. Sigh.
  9. GlowinPontiac

    GlowinPontiac Member

    Apr 4, 2007
    Central CT
    Had my one and only ND when out hunting with my father when i was around 14 or so. had my shotgun loaded with one in the chamber and the safety on and finger off the trigger when i tripped on a large stick hidden under the leaves. somehow as i fell my hand hit the safety off and the gun fired when it hit the ground even though it was nowhere near my hand and in fact a few feet ahead of me. Luckily my father was off to my left when it happened so nobody was hurt but it sure did scare me really bad.
  10. Bazooka Joe71

    Bazooka Joe71 Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    Southern Indiana
    Besides the survey, this is another reason for starting this thread...To learn from each others mistakes. Monetary possessions(i.e. ceilings, walls, etc.) can be replaced, people cannot. Learning from people's mistakes can help us all appreciate gun safety even more.

    Old dog,

    Thank you for having the "cojones" to fess up to your ND...I bet after that instance, a "few" beers or not, you check your guns a couple extra times before having some dry fire fun.:D


    Thats one of those in the "grey" area, more like a UD...Its not like your saftey(brain) wasn't functioning correctly, you just tripped.
  11. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Speaking strictly as a guy who teaches people how to shoot safely: I've never had a negligent discharge, and intend never to have one.
  12. annielulu

    annielulu Member

    Aug 18, 2007
    Henderson, Nevada

    ANYTIME I pick up a firearm, begin to clean a firearm, touch or adjust my CCW piece, clean or dry fire, etc. I always remember what I read about on this and other boards and reflect upon my past actions regarding ND's. I am now anal about it.

    When I first started shooting I had two ND's. One at the indoor range (shot ceiling) and once at the outdoor range (shot nothing).

    This was when I was VERY new. Thank God each time the firearm was pointed in a safe direction.

    In a way, I'm glad I had them and that all turned out well.

    It put the fear of God into me. It can happen when you least expect it.

    I got off cheap. These were lessons that will stick with me forever.
  13. oldgold

    oldgold Member

    Mar 31, 2004
    Yep, just when you think you are safe 'Murphy' will get you. Mine was my fault but 'Murphy' helped.

    Had just got back from the range where I had been shooting my High-Standard .22. HAd been having jams off and on so I took it out of the bag and even though I had cleared it at the range, I dropped the mag and pulled back the slide to visually check the chamber. No round in the chamber, so slide down, hammer down,,,,,,,,bang!! In the floor , no damage.

    Later inspection showed the ejector broken and the extractor was strong enough to hold a shell to the breech face. With the muzzle down it was not visable but the chamber was obviously empty. Hello 'Murphy'. Now I'm paranoid about checking the entire chamber area.

    No mater how positive you are about safety, "Murphy" is out there !
  14. trueblue1776

    trueblue1776 Member

    Nov 16, 2005
    My trusty P22 tricked me with the DA/SA first time I shot it. Nobody was injured, but could have been, it was a matter of luck that my ND went downrange. Almost shot my buddy Zach in the belly 20 miles from a paved road.

    There's not too much shame in it for me (I learned), hopefully it will reinforce the tired old four rules to a new shooter.
  15. Emptymag

    Emptymag Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    Pittsburgh, PA
    None for me.
    The other evening, I was putting away the G19 after the evening walk and I heard my wife say "Oh, you check three times too?" (to be sure chamber is clear) As we all know, the firearm can not be made to fire if there are no bullets inside.
    That said, picking up and putting away a firearm are only a small percentage of the times when we must keep safety in mind. What we do with the firearm from the time it is loaded till it is unloaded will affect the chances for an ND as well. Just because I check that thing three times before I put it away, doesn't make me a "safe gun owner". I carry daily, and I must keep that thought process going at all times when a firearm is under my control.

    I hope that made sense!
  16. Biker

    Biker Member

    Mar 10, 2005
    Guess I'll have to echo Old Dog.

  17. Regolith

    Regolith Member

    Jul 2, 2007
    Nevada & Oregon
    Yes, I have had two, both when I was much younger (12 or so). The first time, I was out shooting squirrels with my brother and father and I thought that I had run out of ammo in my old tube fed bolt action .22. Turns out it wasn't empty. Thankfully, I had the gun pointing in a safe direction so nobody was hurt. I sure got an ass chewing from my father, though.

    The other time I was (again) out shooting with my brother and father, and I was attempting to slowly let the hammer down on a cocked lever action .22 in order to put it on safe (it had no other safety besides the half cock hammer safety). As I was letting the hammer down, it slipped out from under my thumb and hit the firing pin. Again, nobody was hurt because I was pointing gun was pointing in a safe direction. I also got a butt chewing for that one.

    Haven't had one since, almost a decade later. And I don't plan on ever doing it again.
  18. hankdatank1362

    hankdatank1362 Member

    Aug 5, 2006
    Myrtle Beach
  19. 35Rem

    35Rem Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    SE Alabama
    I think that is the correct mindset to avoid one. If you think "someday it will happen" then it will. The best safety a firearm has is between the ears of the person holding it. Convince yourself you aren't going to have a ND and then DON'T.
    Convince yourself you might and you WILL.

    I haven't had a ND, either, but have seen one at the range. Pretty scary stuff.
    It was my buddy, I was letting him shoot a 2" Taurus 605, he shot 4, cocked the hammer for #5 and dropped muzzle to table, finger on trigger and whoops, nice 357 cal hole in range table.
    I saw him do it and I took a half step back before he dropped the hammer, I know it happened fast, but looked very slow from memory. I didn't have time to say anything.
    No injuries, except his pride. He spent the rest of the afternoon w/his head down, red faced, and appologizing. Apparently his "First Time". He didn't pick that gun up again.
  20. romma

    romma Member

    Jun 28, 2005
    I have not personally had one. But when I was 14 yrs old, I was at the receiving end of one as I have posted here before...

  21. Wild Deuce

    Wild Deuce Member

    Mar 11, 2007

    However, I took my son to the range where we had fun plinking with his Marlin. Three days later we decided to clean the rifle. As is customary, I took the rifle out, pointed it in our usual safe direction (concrete walled crawl space full of cardboard boxes) and opened the action ..... plop. .22LR round lands on the carpet. We stared at it for a second or two and then sat down on the spot to figure out where we screwed up. Before we cleaned the rifle, we removed and cleared every firearm in the safe.

    Having experienced that, I would have to agree with Old Dog.

    I don't intend to have a ND just like I didn't intend to leave a live round in the rifle, or don't intend to get in an accident, or slip on the ice, or fall down the stairs, or ......

    My experience made me realize that I am human and I am more careful because of it.
  22. BHPshooter

    BHPshooter Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Yep. It's chronicled here on THR...

  23. robert garner

    robert garner Member

    Feb 9, 2004
    columbus georgia
    Hubris !

    Not me,I've three myself.
    1) First outing with a new to me Virginian Dragoon 44. Missed Op at ole brer Rabbit. Dontcha LUV SA's their so tactile; thumb for this anna finger for that ,a good grip and a quick eye! The Kidd aint got nothin on me,cause I am the Man!
    The hammer is shaped to wrap your thumb around it for controll,I am in controll no fool here,hey I've only five beans in the wheel couse thats the way this'n works.Course you remember mr.rabbit? that beans now under the pointy part of the hammer,pistols on its way from a dead level to a living perpindicular (sp? just looks funny) headin for its home when not in the hand POW
    missed my little toe by(-) this much!
    2)Ruger SBH 10" special ordered first bonafied NEW pistol,Western rigged holster too! Course thats what a quick draw like me Needed! Dry fired it for days on end,till got the chance for some range time.Had opted for 180's (they STUNG!)
    got home cleaned and re-loaded put up,cool!
    Next range trip loaded guns NOT ALLOWED off the line right? Thats the same everywhere,aint it?
    Got my stuff laid out on the bench,range is hotbut no target set up good time to dry fire....POW no glasses no muffs (no harm no foul right) WRONG!
    I knew, tho it was a looooong time before it really hit home Tachy what?
    Before i could lay it down there was no blood in my head my stomach was in a knot and I knew exactly how guns don't kill,UNLOADED GUNS KILL!
    If there is a Psycho babbler fixer here,maybe he can tell you why this bothered me more,and still does, than incident 1)? The Colonel sayeth there is no sound more frightening than a click when you want a boom,I think only if your facing one of the Big Five, or a perp yeah maybe.
    3)1897 winchester pump,buddy comes over,"Hey,this your new gun?"
    Yeah but I need to show you how she works its a real old style, Its loaded don't touch!
    Note: this may have been a true AD instead of,but I DON'T ACCEPT AD's,so it was negligent.
    There is a button on the side of the action so's you can work the shells out without releasing the hammer(maybe this failed?) maybe my finger slipped,don't know to this day,too fast too disquieting,but the chandelier is on the floor,and my 8 mos pregnant wife arises from the couch,and with a single word,rhymes with bass,calls me a Hillary(Brer Jimmy was in office) leaves the room.Don't Trust Safeties!!!!
    I confess the above for those who would learn from my poor example.
    Maybe it will save just one person the embarrasment I have endured,after all it's for the chillrun!
    Hubris...if ya got it lose it, I don't suffer from it if i did I should be ded ded ded
  24. Bob M.

    Bob M. Member

    Jan 12, 2007
    Tampa, Fl

    Well, Im 51 now and been shooting since I was 17 and never had an ND.
    I have, however, had a slam fire with a Charter Arms AR-7 .22 cal. survival
    rifle after a whole brick of Remington Golden bullet (dirty stuff) ammo.

    The action was so caked up with soot that it stuck the firing pin in the
    forward position and when I released the charging handle after loading
    a fresh mag, it fired.

    The round went into the ground approximately 3-4 feet in front of me in the
    downrange direction. Following one of the four rules there kept it from being
    a potentionally painful or tragic ending to a fun day at the range.

    While at that same range on a different day, the range owner was telling me about
    a fellow a week before that was practicing quick drawing from an open holster and blew a
    .38 Cal. wad cutter straight down his right leg and through his ankle bone.:eek:

    He said that the gun had hung up on his holster somehow and apparently
    his finger was on the trigger and lit one off...Ambulance/Police to the
    range. He said the guy was screaming in pain. No surprise there.

    Obviously violated one of the 4 rules. keep that finger off the trigger
    until pointed in a safe direction.

    Bob M.
  25. barkingowl

    barkingowl Member

    Jun 24, 2007
    Charlotte, NC
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