Having the serial #'s run on your concealed carry weapon

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  1. dodo bird

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    All of this sounds true. However, Why was his legal articles (firearm) searched? Serial numbers are not like license plates that are in public view. They should not have taken his legally carried handgun to check in in their database. Just like they shouldn’t have checked his drivers license to see if he didn’t have any warrants. Remember he was stopped for NOT committing a crime. I am very surprised and disappointed there are so many people here that think it is ok to search people without probable cause. Please read the 4th again and tell me how I am wrong?

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    Not gonna do it- especially for any gun with honest wear.

    If I’m that paranoid, then I might as well begin wearing a mask out into an empty, large parking lit.


    If a seller appeared to have weird vibes, I would find a reason to cancel a gun deal.
     
  3. N555

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    Yes my lawyer is on a $10,000 retainer, he requires a 5,000 minimum. I want him to answer if I call in the middle of the night.
    And I want the cops to hear the name and be like "ahhhh shhh-----".
    Even having a $500 lawyer is better than no lawyer or a public defender, which in some cases is worse than no lawyer.
     
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  4. davethedog

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    Hmm. So what some of you are saying is if someone is arrested, jailed and charged with a felony for something they are completely innocent of, it's ok because the cop made a mistake and didn't apply the law properly? "Sorry, my bad." Possession of a stolen firearm is not illegal. Knowingly and willingly possessing one is. This law is typically applied to street thugs and convicted felons who can't buy a firearm legally and acquired their gun from someone selling them out of a car trunk at midnight behind the convenience store, not senior citizens with a concealed carry permit with no criminal record who bought the gun legally. I only got out of this without having to hire a $3,000 attorney because i had previously had a FFL 03 for 16 years and knew who to contact and what to do. I also had the help of a judge i knew, the Sheriff of my county and the ATF. All i was trying to say is don't ever say, "why that could never happen to me". Yes it can.
     
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  5. N555

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    The law is applied where they think they can get a conviction, as you found out unfortunately.
    The ones you were dealing with weren't smart enough to know they didn't have a case, by the time they figured out they didn't have a case they were already in too deep. After they wrongfully arrested you, probably figured they could keep up the pressure, scare you and either get you to say something they could use against you or were hoping you would be dumb enough or desperate enough to accept a plea deal to make it go away.
    You chose wisely.
    I would have gone scorched earth, had my lawyer "defund the police" and then move, far away.
     
  6. chicharrones

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    As the fictional Forrest Gump would say "crap happens". For some of us, crap happened early in life and we put those experiences in our "life ain't fair" memory bank. For some folks it happens later in life and the surprise that crap happens is much harder to take after having life go so well up to that point.

    I'm in the first group. My wife is in the second group and it's much harder for her to understand when crap happens. I know lots of people in the first group and the second group, and our outlooks on life are a bit different due to our experiences.
     
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  7. CodeSection

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    For clarification, now if the OP ID was checked again at any future LE stop, would it not indicate he had been arrested for having a stolen pistol or handgun? Wouldn't that arrest record be permanent?
     
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  8. aaaaa

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    So that is $5000 that you never get back? Or when you die, and assuming you never needed his services, does the $5000 go back to your estate?

    Why not instead get USCCA insurance. I know they don't provide the lawyer but will pay for your lawyer, but they do have a hotline you can call immediately to get advice, presumably staffed by lawyers specializing in concealed carry and self defense.
     
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  9. aaaaa

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    So the police have our SS numbers in their databases to verify that you gave the correct number? For most of us they already have our info via the driver's license, so I question why they would need your SS number.
     
  10. N555

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    Ideally with insurance you pay money and never use the service. Also this covers me from everything from parking tickets all the way to stuffing a body into a wood chipper or worse. Not that I would do such a thing.
    I got it from my dad's estate and figured I would do something stupid with it like buy a vehicle I didn't need or a machine gun that I can't afford to feed and so I put it up for a bad day. Also it's $10,000 and I could ask for it all back or half of it back at any time. Or if I'm in another state where my lawyer isn't licensed and I get in a jam he will find a lawyer for me and forward some or all of the money to that lawyer.
    Upon my demise my next of kin can get the money. If the lawyers office closes the escrow accountant will make every effort to contact me, but chances are if they close I'll know long before their last day.
    If you have a lawyer on a significant amount of retainer put it in your will.
    Also one of the dirty tricks the authorities do when they you lock you up is seize your accounts if they can make up or stretch the charges to say that you maybe, might have, possibly could have made any of that money illicitly. Just having 10,000 dollars in your savings account could be seen as probable cause. These are just charges, they don't have to prove it. I can't find an instance where lawyer retainer money was seized, at that point they would be depriving you of legal representation it would seem.
    This is how "it always seems like" politicians and rich a holes get away with everything, this is a big part of the how. Also a big part of why working stifs and poors usually do time.
     
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    They might or might not. In the incident that I described, the police didn't check the validity of the number I gave them. That wasn't the point. The point was that they were trying to determine if I had it together enough to give them a number. Any plausible 9-digit number would have served the purpose. A person with advanced Alzheimer's, for example, probably wouldn't have been able to give them that.
    The state of Virginia, for one, no longer uses the Social Security number as a driver's license number. The SSN has even been removed from Medicare cards.
     
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    Lawyers' retainers are refundable when you no longer need their services. You can ask for a refund at any time. But, if you do so, your erstwhile lawyer is free to take the case of a possible adverse party. If you live in a small town and you put all the lawyers in that town on retainer, anyone trying to sue you in that town would have a hard time finding a lawyer.

    It's amazing how fast that retainer gets burned through if you do need the lawyer's services.
     
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  13. aaaaa

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    That is a good reason for insurance such as USCCA offers.
     
  14. Fooey

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    Sounds like you already did a public records check. They know they screwed up and are now covering their A$$es. Now file a complaint with the state and they will find out why the police will not give you a public record. Here is the information you need. Be sure to scroll down and look at penalties they can be held to. Good luck. The Public Records Act | Mississippi Ethics Commission (ms.gov)
     
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  15. davethedog

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    Yes it would be on my record. It can be expunged of course but at my age(69), i won't be applying for any new job positions. I haven't really looked into it yet.
     
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    So it's a driver's license checkpoint. How then do they get to check your gun out of that? Seems like they do not have cause to investigate your gun.
     
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  17. Insignificant bill

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    Nope I have never had a desire to have my nib firearms checked because I buy them from legitimate dealers.
     
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    I don't know how old you are but my SSI card states right on the front NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION if you have a card that old then you probably have been around for awhile.
     
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    I did that too, I put most of the small $500 lawyers on retainer too. Incase it's a civil jam I get into.
     
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    That's the problem. Your gun can become "stolen" at any time. All it has to be is a gun from the same manufacturer with the same serial number, or say a gun like yours got stolen and someone along the way fubs entering the actual stolen guns serial number on paper or into the computer.
    Or maybe the manufacturer or FFL "lost it" reported it stolen, then a few weeks later refound it, forgot they reported it and sold it to you.
    Now your gun is officially "stolen".
    Be your own manufacturer.
     
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    I wasn’t sure how I felt about that at first, knee jerk. In a “Free Country”, one wouldn’t have to, wouldn’t even have their passage down the road impeded. Especially for a road block style DL check.? What state is that?

    Alas, we are just in the USA and States inside her have even further restrictions laid upon us. So, I agree. Actions with more of a “Water off ducks back” attitude ending with a “have a nice day”, as you pull away does seem like a better of the two options.
     
  22. N555

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    Never answer their questions. If they have to grill you its because they don't have enough to arrest you. Yet. And if they do. Have your lawyer defund that police department.
    That's why cops love arresting meth heads, slap cufs on themy and they won't shutup. They don't even have to ask any questions.
     
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    I think that if the law says your address on your drivers license must be current and a cop ask lf it is. That's a reasonable question.
    Just maybe there should a law requiring people to show just a little common sense.
     
  24. herrwalther

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    When I was arrested for a firearm charge, I said to my wife "Call Fred in Florida." Who was our retained, family attorney until he passed. The officer said "Levin?!" That was a pretty good indicator for me that I was going to be okay. And I was.
     
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    Context, friend - context. As was pointed out, a question such as this is simply a gauge for the operator/dispatcher to determine whether or not the caller is lucid and capable of coherent thought. Once again, both AlexanderA and I have explained why law enforcement may ask questions, and once again, it's not to deprive you of your 4th Amendment rights or in violation of an SSA administrative policy.
    Ah, no. Some of us will just have to totally disagree with you there.

    Guessin' all the cops in Mississippi aren't as compassionate or enlightened as Sparta's Chief Gillespie and Det. Tibbs...
     
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