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Hawaii 5-0 speed loading intro scene

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Vector, Aug 27, 2012.

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  1. Vector

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    I am referring to the original (real) Hawaii 5-0 with Jack Lord. In the opening there is a section where someone is loading a revolver by spinning the cylinder and putting in bullets. I remember for fun I tried to do it like the TV show but never seemed to get the timing right.

    Watch this clip;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AepyGm9Me6w

    Then tell me if it is something you have ever tried to do, and how exactly they were able to do it, especially at that speed?
     
  2. Tommygunn

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    A very quick shot of an expended round (pause it and look at the primers -- there's a firing pin strike) being inserted and the cylinder sppun hardly constitutes a gun being "loaded."
    It is a propman handling a gun, "playing" with it for a cameraman for an avante garde pop culture TV theme in 1966.
    No one loads a .38SP like that. There may be quick ways of doing it, but stripper clips and reloaders made it much easier and even they require practice.
    And I always liked how McGarrett could shoot a bad guy from the other side of Diamond Head and hit him right in the kill zone with that .38 snubbie he carried in his shoulder holster.
    TV is not real.
    The last Hawaii 5-O that I saw they didn't even know the proper grain weight of a .30 carbine round.:eek:
     
  3. BCRider

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    I won't say it's CGI because I'm sure they never used it for TV back then. It's possible that they filmed a guy taking one round at a time OUT then spinning the cylinder and then reversed it to make it look like they were spin loading the gun. Or they got a guy to load it that way and it took MANY takes to catch just the right moment.
     
  4. MrDig

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    I seem to remember hearing that one of the quickest ways to screw up a good firearm was to try and duplicate Hollywood tricks with them, ie snap an open double gun closed with one hand, flip a revolver cylinder to close it, rack a pump gun one handed...........
    While the crane and cylinder are made of steel they are none the less precision set and only have a certain amount of tolerance. These antics and force them out of tolerance quickly. Just my opinion sorry.
     
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    Shotguns are hellishly tough so I don't see doing much harm to a pump shottie to cycle it one handed unless it's done with MUCH vigor. But yeah, the things Hollywood does to nice revolvers is criminal.
     
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    Just a friendly tip, you can link to a particular timestamp in a YouTube video by adding the following to the URL:

    #t=45s for the 45 second mark, or
    #t=5m23s for the 5:23 mark.

    The portion of the clip being referred to is here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AepyGm9Me6w#t=0m44s
     
  7. 9mmepiphany

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    It looks like they changed the frame rate during that scene...just as they did when Kono was running up the boarding ramp.

    Two things:
    1. Spinning, stopping and again spinning the cylinder isn't the same as flipping the cylinder closed.
    2. Racking a shotgun one handed, using the mass of the gun to chamber a round isn't abusive to the gun. It is a technique taught in LE academies
     
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    Jack Lord is as anti as they come. I didn't like the show when it was on, either. I would never try to do that type of loading, showboating and a great way to screw it up.
     
  9. Deaf Smith

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    Gang... Hollywood by definition is fake.

    The actors mouth whatever words are put in front of them.

    They can be anti-gun, moonies, transvestites, satanist, baby eaters, whatever and still talk like they were to the right of John Wayne (and he was an actor to... but his philosophy was close to the way he acted, which is rare.)

    And that is why overall I hold them in so little respect. They are close cousins to politicians to.

    Deaf
     
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    True, Jack Lord was antigun. Past tense; Lord died about fifteen years ago.
     
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    Pretty sure there's a stop-action after the first spin. The thumb is then back in position to spin the cylinder a second time, but it just appears in place, I don't see it coming back as it would if the clip were continuous.

    So the first spin is done with one round missing, then a stop action, the last round is loaded, the filming starts again with the thumb back in place and the cylinder is spun again.
     
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    Correct. Editing.
     
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    TV is not real?! :eek:

    Except John Russell in Lawman. That was real.
     
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    the round was already in the cylinder, they just cut and spliced it after it was replaced.
     
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    And they were using fired cases. Primers had indentations and there were probably no BOOLITS in the cases.............
     
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    Well I should hope not. And certainly no bullets, either.
     
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    I don't think he did much of anything at all with it. At 0:44, there's the last frame of Danny ("With James MacArthur as Danny"). At 0:45, there's the cylinder of a .38 with the guy's finger and thumb around it. Two fired rounds appear to the right of his thumb, one empty chamber at the top of the cylinder. Then he spins it... stops it... sticks another fired round into the empty chamber... and spins it again. At 0:46, cut to Kono running up the stairs with a shotgun. There's really only two seconds to that segment, just long enough for the viewing public to see a gun and know there'll be some shooting later on (which is why you would be watching five-oh in the first place.)
     
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    Sorry, but the girls kept diverting my attention. Now, what are we talking about? Spent cartridges?
     
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    Are you my long lost brother?:D

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    I personally love watching for firearms boners on TV. Many of these are "tropes" that are learned by directors for dramatic appeal, and show that they know nothing of firearms.

    Fer-instance.... The guy is threatening all and sundry with an autopistol. He's not getting enough attention, so suddenly he racks the slide! What, he had nothing in the tube before?

    Along the same lines... Dude is threatening someone with an auto pistol again, and again not being sufficiently threatening, so he thumbs the hammer back. This is particularly funny if it happens to be a single-action pistol.
    But what's REALLY funny is when they have someone "thumb the hammer back" on a Glock or similar striker-fired weapon... Even inserting the "click" sound effect. They did this on the X-files all the time.
    Before Jack Lord was able to engage his opponents with his snubbie at long ranges, "Inspector Erskine" of the FBI (Effrem Zimbalist Jr.) was doing the same thing. He NEVER fired more than one shot, even though the bad guy was 200 yards away and running....
    I guess J. Edgar had the final say on these things.....
     
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    Diggum Danno....Danno?...Danno?... oh yea, he's dead too...
     
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    That particular scene was a subversive technique the antis used in the 60's to get people to wreck their guns!!......:).....I kid, I kid....Hollywood editing in all it's 60's splendor.
     
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    My favorite Hollywood firearms boner was in a movie that I can't remember the title to. Essentially a hit man was sitting in his car getting ready to break into his target's home. Before leaving he "loads" the 1911 he has sitting in his lap.

    Step 1: Rack the slide
    Step 2: Insert a full magazine
    Step 3: "It's Go Time"

    :banghead::banghead::banghead:
     
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    Gotta say I love this thread; hope others have more to share with us. Very good for laughs.
     
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    watch the Dr. No James Bond flick...when Bond is shooting at the "dragon" on the island he uses a few different guns.....LOL.
     
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