Hawaii could be first to put gun owners in federal database

So it starts..............




http://bigstory.ap.org/article/057945d6be7a4fb89d68bbf7d8b48bd8/hawaii-could-be-first-put-gun-owners-federal-database

 

If there was any logical connection between Uncle Sam knowing the identity of gun owners and gun "safety" maybe I could understand this. But Hawaii is simply hostile to gun owners, period. Has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with suppressing ownership. Combine that with the police policy of ignoring drug use and trafficking and it's clear that Hawaii prefers to cater to tourists and liberals, and ignore law-abiding conservative residents. Not sorry I don't live there any more.

 

Just say no.

 

The Rap Back program does not appear to do what these people in HI seem to want it to do.

From the FBI's website:

 

Another good reason to NOT move to Hawaii.

 

Can't. don't have square feet.

 

This could a good thing, especially at this time.



This proves exactly what gun owners have been saying forever that the end game is registration and eventually confiscation.

 

Based on the resource I posted above, and other sources easily found on Google, it appears that this would duplicate the NICS check already accomplished after the submission of a 4473, with two important differences:

1. Buyers would have to submit fingerprints to the FBI through Hawaii's Department of Public Safety (or equivalent).

2. Buyers could be flagged for any arrest, regardless of subsequent indictment or conviction.

I see this as a dead-end for no other reason than the FBI has to agree to all of this, which appears to be a novel use for the Rap Back program. I don't think they would take kindly to Hawaii telling them how to do their job.

 

At present the HI proposal would constitute an unfunded mandate by the state imposed on the federal government. That's not how the federal government rolls. THEY impose unfunded mandates on the states. It could be rectified, fiscally, by the state imposing yet another "fee" on gun owners, but it would require the feds to cater to the state, and when Justice considers that it would open the feds to liability in the event that Rap Back failed to prevent gun crime in HI, watch them run...

 

It's not a bill.

It's law.

"Governor Ige signs bill putting gun owners in FBI database", Hawaii News Now, Thu 23 Jun 2016, 11:53pm.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32297308/governor-ige-signs-bill-putting-gun-owners-in-fbi-database

Alex Dobuzinskis, "Hawaii becomes first U.S. state to place gun owners on FBI database", Reuters, Fri 24 Jun 2016.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hawaii-becomes-first-u-state-place-gun-owners-210248882.html

Gov. David Ige (Democrat) signed SB 2954 making Hawaii the first state to enter gun owners in the Rap Back system for criminal record monitoring.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/ngi
CNB note: Rap Back is part of NGI Next Generation Identification.

Hawaiian gun owners (who must pass a NICS BG check to legally buy a gun in the first place) will be entered on the FBI Rap Back list of sensitive people; Hawaiian police agencies are going to get constant updates on the background check status changes of all registered Hawaiian gun owners.

If the promoters of this have their way, the FBI Rap Back database will be bloated with the 65 to 80 million law abiding U.S. gun owners. Rap Back was set up to monitor criminal activities by those under investigation or in certain job positions requiring BG check.

 

Gotta hope the courts take care of it. They are more loony than cali..............

 

Yes, the courts might take care of this in 2 or 3 years...


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Makes sense. Isn't it rumored O"BS is thinking of retiring there.?

 

I didn't realize people in HI actually owned guns, and that if they did, they wouldn't be on all kinds of lists already.

I guess I see the extra step here but if HI gun owners are already registered, shouldn't they be worried about what the state is doing already?

 

Not to mention that if u go see a shrink for whatever reason the govt. might deem U dangerous.


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If people ask what is the state with the worst gun laws. It is Hawaii, just beating out New Jersey for first place.

1. FBI Database of gun owners.

2. All guns are registered.

3. Purchase permit needed for handguns AND long guns

4. Assault weapons ban for pistols.

5. Ten round magazine limit.

7. Most NFA weapons banned.

8. Conceal Carry permit impossible to get for the average citizen.
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Magnum P.I. had a CCP,,,,,
We must all remember that Hawaii is a state awash in terrorists that legally buy firearms...

 

Terrorists can't afford to go there on vacation.

 

Too crowded and too expensive and not quite the "aloha" filled melting pot they like to advertise. (Try being a haole on the leeward side after sunset... )
And to think that I used to live there...

 

I previously lived in Hawaii while serving in the US Air Force. I dutifully registered my firearms when I arrived. I don't recall any process for un-registering when I left in 1992. Can anyone suggest what agency in Hawaii I might contact to see if they plan to enter me in the FBI database?

Dennis

 

I guess if you own a gun in Hawaii you are a potential criminal.

I thought profiling was illegal.

 

As I've stated earlier in this thread, I find it hard to believe that the FBI would accept this particular use of the "Rap Back" program, nor the increased workload that comes with it.

A Democrat rep was on Fox News recently, defending this law. She maintained that the constitution doesn't apply because it's a strictly state-level measure. The host (Tucker Carlson I believe) asked her that once you get the FBI involved, don't you involve the constitution? She didn't have much to say to that.