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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by shiftyer1, Jul 29, 2009.

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  1. shiftyer1

    shiftyer1 Member

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    I understand that some people have incredible talent with lever guns, but i'm watching shooting gallery and they're showing tactical lever guns for hd. Now if a lever gun is what you have fine but wouldn't a more modern design like a semi auto be more advisable? They show tactical rails, lights, etc. it seems one could buy a semi auto for the price of all the upgrades. I myself love lever guns mostly because of the time period they make me think of but are they really a first choice for home defense? Yes I know shotguns are the king of hd but i'm taking rifles here.
     
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    I may be misunderstanding the jist of the show, maybe they're just showing a new use for an old design??? But it did get me to thinking.
     
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    Maybe one of these?

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    Personally, tactical accessories on a lever gun make me want to puke. Maybe I should put rails on my Sharps?
     
  4. shiftyer1

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    lol they showed a mares leg at the end of the show. They did mention it had no tactical use but if you bought the stamp and put a different stock on it maybe it would be useful. I would love to own one with the same barrel length and a full stock for a truck gun.
     
  5. jackdanson

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    Yeah putting "tactical" stuff on a lever gun irks me too. That being said, I don't consider a quality red dot a "tactical" item anymore. They are actually quite practical for SD use. Think about, quick aiming, great in low light.. very practical. I wouldn't mind slapping an aimpoint or eotech on a lever gun.
     
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    I guess it depends where you live and what caliber you use. In the country, a nice .30-30 would be great. It gives you good power, some range if needed and easy to find ammo. In the city you might opt for a .357 or a .44.

    I like them because they are simple and work. No magazines, buttons, etc...just pull back the hammer and fire. Then work the lever and you are good to go again.

    I have an AR and an AK, but I like my lever guns too. I am going camping in the morning with my family and already picked out one of my favorite Marlin 336's to take.

    I am glad we have so many choices...

    Matt
     
  7. Dr.Rob

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    Well if you live in a place that has banned semi automatic rifles... why not? Thing is to slick up the action and practice in low light. No need to 'gagetify' a pistol caliber lever gun, not at spitting (across the room) distance. I'd maybe concede the usefulness of a flashlight taped/mounted to the barrel. Or invest in night lights throughout your house.
     
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    To me, putting tactical crap on a levergun is like mounting 30" gold spinners to a '49 Mercury. It's just...non-sensical.

    That said, I think a levergun will work just fine in the HD role, but only if the actual person is up to the task. Point is, the firearm is not the most important bit of the equation.
     
  9. Birdmang

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    I have a weaver scope on my marlin 336 lever gun...that alright isnt it!?
     
  10. Cosmoline

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    My main HD gun now is a Puma 92 in .44 Mag with a tactical light mounted under the barrel. I wouldn't have done it to a real Winchester, but it's just a Puma and it wasn't put together properly to start with. Increased power, increased accuracy, more reliable than a semi--what's not to like?
     
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    Just saying a 'fuzzy bunny' nightlight is a $2 solution to seeing what you need to without ruining your night vision plus its not bolted onto your rifle, slowing it down.
     
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    Bad choice in my opinion. Anything that slows down followup shots is bad. Having to work a level when you are in a situation where one hand may be out of commission just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Use a handgun or a Semi Auto.
     
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    Seems to me that a .38/.357 lever gun would be Just Right for a sub-urban home defense weapon...

    Ammunition compatible with your revolver, too!
     
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    :neener:

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    Clements Custom Guns is currently making a few additional modifications and enhancements to my Guide Gun.
    I should have it back Mid September.
     
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    OK, I give up. How does that can fit on? or do you have on a thread protector? :confused:
     
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    :D If you look real close you will notice other rifles (M14 & AKM) pictured above and below the lever gun... the can fits those.
     
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    Sure, but you could have got the Knights .45 can, and used it on all 3!
     
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    I don't think the Knight's can would handle the pressure of a .45-70

    A suppressed .45-70 lever gun would be interesting though...
     
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    Are you planning on going to war any time soon?

    Do you really NEED a "tactical" rifle with a 30 round magazine for personal SD?

    You think a man with lever gun is NOT capable of sending some hoodlums straight to Hell?

    Man, I just don't know how we all got along back in the olden days before there were all these tacticool rifles. I guess we just didn't have any way to defend ourselves, did we? Youngsters are always convinced that without the latest in hardware one is helpless. News flash; 95% of winning a fight is the determination in the mind and spirit in the heart, not the gun in the hand.

    Try this for fun. Pick up a Winchester "Trapper Model" with the 16" barrel. Note how compact it is, how light it feels, how fast it handles. Check out how thin it is, with no charging handle or forward assist button sticking out to the side. Think about how easy it would be to stow and carry such a trim and lightweight rifle.

    Pay attention to the manly sized hole in the muzzle. The 30-30 is the classic caliber but I have one in 44 Magnum and staring into the muzzle of this rifle would be akin to looking into the abyss of Hell were it pointed at you because you would know that down at the bottom of that barrel was a 240 grain JHP bullet that would be coming at you at a clocked 1980 FPS. That should settle anyone's hash but good.

    Sure, an AR 15 will empty its magazine faster. How often will this be an advantage? Very, very few people are going to need to deal with more than one or two criminal attackers at a time. Thinking that you must have a semi-auto rifle with at least 90 rounds immediately available is mostly the stuff of fantasy. I have every confidence that a good lever gun will handle virtually all SD situations just fine.

    Azizza- Go and observe a "Cowboy Match" with a rifle shoot and then come back and tell me all about the lever gun can't be operated quickly and smoothly under pressure. I was once clocked firing 5 rounds in 4 seconds and hitting a 5 gallon bucket 5 for 5 at 50 yards. Not too bad and remember, I was like in the bottom 25% of the shooters. There were guys who worked those M92s and 94s like lightning.

    Wow. All this talk about lever guns makes me want to shoot some of mine.


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    if an aimpoint or eoteh isnt 100% tactical, then i dont know what is. if someone enjoys accessorizing a lever gun with tactical items, let them...it still supports the big picture.
     
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    A $2 night light does not give me enough information. Ever had to shoot something at 3 AM? I have. Thus my habit of strapping tactical lights on long arms. I'm not a ninja.

    The goal is not faster followup shots, but a first shot that hits square even when you're half asleep and a first shot that stops the intruder. My .44 levergun is more than enough on both counts. I trust that I can hit something with it in the middle of the night. I cannot say the same for my short guns.
     
  22. J&J

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    Have to agree that a lever gun can make a fine HD weapon. 357 or 44 magnum, no doubt about stopping power...

    My 94 trapper is my handiest long gun. I can put rounds on target just as fast with it as with any of my semi autos... you have to train to rack the lever as you reacquire your sight picture. If I was engaging anything short of a vehicle at distances likely in my neghborhood, this would be one of my go to weapons.

    John
     
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    The best HD weapon is a gun. We tend to get caught up in looking for the gun. If you live in NYC or someplace where the gun is not available to you legally for whatever reason, there is no reason not to have a gun...and to feel undergunned with it.

    In that scenario, a lever action rifle is probably one of the very best choices. If I lived in NYC and could not have a handgun, or a semi-auto carbine of some kind, I'd want a levergun.

    All that aside, I would not feel undergunned in Miami or anywhere else with a good levergun.

    Since this is Rifle Country after all, I'll make no comments about shotguns.
     
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    Shotgun would be my first choice but a levergun is better than a spray and pray type.
     
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    I beyond overpenetration, I don't see where a .223 semi-auto would be better than a .45C lever gun for self/home defense. Especially in an area with magazine capacity limits. (think: highest population state in US) where both guns are limited to 10rd magazines (but a 10+1rd .454 puma will hold 11+1rds of /45C ... just sayin').

    Semi-auto may or may not give a fraction of a second faster follow up time... that's more limited by sight recovery than anything else.
     
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