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She's tough as nails, nothing wrong with that. She could probably teach a lot of the "Durango Rangers" a thing or two.
Head shots-big game.
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I've seen head shot fails way to many times! I do not take them and I strongly suggest that people I'm guiding do not attempt them either. One of the huge problems with a head shot on animals is that most of the head doesn't contain a brain and many hunters don't know where that realativley tiny target is located anyway.
BTW, The moose in my avatar is a Shiras/AKA Wyoming Moose. He was a big old mature Shiras, actually scored just in the bottom of B&C. He was smaller in body size than most Yukon Moose cows. Yukon Moose are about 30 to 50% larger than a Shiras.
BTW, The moose in my avatar is a Shiras/AKA Wyoming Moose. He was a big old mature Shiras, actually scored just in the bottom of B&C. He was smaller in body size than most Yukon Moose cows. Yukon Moose are about 30 to 50% larger than a Shiras.
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Frankly when I looked at your photo of that moose I was puzzled. A bull rack on a calf's body? They really are noticiceably smaller .than the AK moose. The rack is decent even by Alaska standards though. In fact with the 3 brow tines it would be a legal bull in unit 14.
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Saw the results of a few botched head shots on hogs I've trapped and shot. One big sow had 1/3 of her rooter blown off, teeth broken and exposed on one side, blinded in one eye and the ear torn up. Animals deserve better than that.
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A lot of people don't realize that most of a deer's head doesn't have brains in it. Lots of sinus and the like. To do a good head shot, you need to know what part of the head has the brain in it AND be able to hit it. Unless you are using a .22 (which is legal in my state) there's no reason to even try it. Most people aren't up to the task from a marksmanship standpoint. If a broad side shot isn't available, a neck shot should be there if you can see the head (most of the time). The neck shot has much more room for error, and I have had great results when I have used it. And no, I don't deer hunt with a 22, even though I legally could,
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The Wyoming Moose male averages 1,000 pounds. The average Alaska Male Moose weighs 1,400 pounds. The Record Alaska Moose was taken in 1897 it weighed 1,800 hundred pounds. There are no Alaska Moose that average 2,000 pounds??
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lewisandclark/record_species_043_7_3.html
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lewisandclark/record_species_043_7_3.html
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There very well may be a 2000 lbs AKmoose but no ones seen it. The area I hunt is a entire river drainage and has very close to zero human presence maybe 5-6 hunters a year, nothing else otherwise. And that's Just one of many drainages.
Who can say what lives up there?
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Yes, I see those Alaska Hunters on one those Alaska Soaps. They wear Motor cycle jackets and shoot deer the size of a Beagle Hound. They brag about the little deer feeding 12 people all Winter.
Seriously have you ever really seen those losers??
Well we have the smallest population in the Union. You can ride 100 miles in the Thoroughfare and never see humans that often. We have many Wilderness Mountain Ranges. In fact we have many folks from Alaska down here.
I suppose we share the same type of Urban experts that read Field and Stream and show up in red wool coats every Fall.
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Yes, I see those Alaska Hunters on one those Alaska Soaps. They wear Motor cycle jackets and shoot deer the size of a Beagle Hound. They brag about the little deer feeding 12 people all Winter.
Seriously have you ever really seen those losers??
Well we have the smallest population in the Union. You can ride 100 miles in the Thoroughfare and never see humans that often. We have many Wilderness Mountain Ranges. In fact we have many folks from Alaska down here.
I suppose we share the same type of Urban experts that read Field and Stream and show up in red wool coats every Fall.
The show you are referring to is Alaska Bush People. In the few episodes I've watched I've noticed that in some of the "hunting" scenes the rifles either have scope rings with no scopes mounted or in several scenes the scope caps are closed when the shot at the deer is being taken. AKA fake made for TV bull pucky.
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So true. Did you see where the Old Man and one of the sons were arrested? They were caught buying Alaska resident licenses. They were actually resident of Texas. The mother was involved in some scam. The film producer puts them up in a resort all Winter.
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Hey Jim, You mean the hunters in Alaska are such poor hunters that they can not find another big Moose in 110 years?
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Yes the Permanent Fund is getting small. Low oil prices. We voted to take ours in reduced property tax. The crash in oil Dec. 1983 made us vote for something really Permanent.
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You mean 300,000 Kilograms? Yes, I did the same thing. But the wife will not allow me to shoot another Big Bull. I got the truck stuck in the mud. She got it out, but no more. She claimed she hurt her back.The weight of a moose or a bull elk goes up exponentially depending on how far you are from the, truck, airplane, boat and how steep the grade is to get to said mode of transportation. I shot a 300 metric ton cow elk once.
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I used to aim for the eyeball on squirrels.
That worked well until I misjudged and the critter was quartering away slightly.
The bullet went through its eye on the near side and out the other side. When I retrieved it, it came back to life.
I do not head-shoot squirrels any longer unless I can put it into the back of the skull. Even then, I want them high enough in a tree that the fall will kill 'em. On the ground, I rarely take head shots.
I cannot imagine shooting for a deer's brain where I hunt. I'm a good shot, but even a twig could deflect a bullet enough to miss it. Much more room for error with heart or lung holds.
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That worked well until I misjudged and the critter was quartering away slightly.
The bullet went through its eye on the near side and out the other side. When I retrieved it, it came back to life.
I do not head-shoot squirrels any longer unless I can put it into the back of the skull. Even then, I want them high enough in a tree that the fall will kill 'em. On the ground, I rarely take head shots.
I cannot imagine shooting for a deer's brain where I hunt. I'm a good shot, but even a twig could deflect a bullet enough to miss it. Much more room for error with heart or lung holds.
Josh
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Not at all. But I have no doubt many a moose lives to ruiness old age and is never seen by a human. There's just to many places they could be, some of it just plain inaccessible. Also it's very possible many 2000lb moose have been taken, but who the heck weighs a moose after they shoot it? Ya gonna bring in a truck scale?Hey Jim, You mean the hunters in Alaska are such poor hunters that they can not find another big Moose in 110 years?
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So true. But Moose are very vulnerable to warm Winters. The Moose's body temps rise to a high point during mid winter. If the ambient temp does not average below 20 degrees they can become emaciated and die.
The fact that no Moose weighing 2,000 pounds has been reported in 110 years is telling.
The fact that no Moose weighing 2,000 pounds has been reported in 110 years is telling.
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