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Do I have to learn the secret handshake to join that circle...It’s a super-secret chambering that only the cool dudes know about…!!!…
Do I have to learn the secret handshake to join that circle...It’s a super-secret chambering that only the cool dudes know about…!!!…
Can’t help you, I’m not in da club….!!!Do I have to learn the secret handshake to join that circle...
No, but you do need to quintuple your income.Do I have to learn the secret handshake to join that circle...
I did get a respectable job but money is a future propositionNo, but you do need to quintuple your income.
(IIW: for the right money you can have any caliber you want)
I love 35 cal and couldn't find a 353 casual
Is 353 the model or the cartridge/chambering? Be honest.Not sure what to tell you - are you trying to pretend that something can't exist just because you've never heard of it?. Now you've heard of it, you can find it. Freedom produces 83's, I know some folks have ran original 6 shot Redhawks at that pressure standard also - I've ran my 357mag Redhawks very near to 353 Casull pressures, over a predicted 50kpsi, but haven't pushed as hard as the Casull level load data.
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Goigle AND Mr. Taffin agree it is the model #…Is 353 the model or the cartridge/chambering? Be honest.
I know. I remember that article. I think I might have it saved somewhere. Unless it was in one of the boxes of magazines that got ruined by the roof leak.Goigle AND Mr. Taffin agree it is the model #…
Beefed up to handle over pressure 357MAG type loads…
Damn….. I wish I was in the cool guy club….
For a rifle ... I would look Long and Hard at the NOE 358-180-WFN .
My .357’s are mostly 6-1/2”-10” but I do have a couple of 4”-5-1/2” revolvers in that cartridge and they eat from the same trough. I’m not a fan of Papier Fricassee so our use cases are a little different.Back Home, Years Ago I loaded some manner of 180grn bullets for my 4" 686, probably under Unique, but maybe 2400 or W296 by then. I certainly took my bag limit on paper targets with them, but in reality, they probably didn't do anything a 158grn bullet wouldn't... out of a 4" barrel, and at handgun ranges. Now, if I would have had a rifle... that changes things a bit.
Mais Yeah ! A Rifle is a whole different ball game entirely . The 180 gr.WFN from a 357 Magnum rifle ...Back Home, Years Ago I loaded some manner of 180grn bullets for my 4" 686, probably under Unique, but maybe 2400 or W296 by then. I certainly took my bag limit on paper targets with them, but in reality, they probably didn't do anything a 158grn bullet wouldn't... out of a 4" barrel, and at handgun ranges. Now, if I would have had a rifle... that changes things a bit.
J-Bar, do you have a .357 rifle? If so, you'd be a might surprised.Watching this with interest; 158 grain lead has always worked magically in my .38s and .357s, but I keep an open mind!
J-Bar, do you have a .357 rifle? If so, you'd be a might surprised.
Oh, they're fine in a handgun; not too stout, but, hard hitting. Give it some thought, think you'd like it. Like you said, "It's something to do!!"Not anymore; sold all my cowboy competition guns. Just revolvers now. I'm sure you are correct about performance in a rifle. Still, it might be fun to experiment with the handguns!
It's something to do!!
My .357 loads are around 800fps in the Colts Lawman (4”) and a little faster in the Pietta/Great Western II (5-1/2”) but not much; within the standard deviation on an average. That’s a stout load for close range plugging.I wondered about the 200 grain bullets in the 357 Magnum. With standard pressure loads, a four inch or six inch barrel, what sort of velocities do you get?
Anything bigger than a boar hog and the .357 with stout 170’s or heavier. Our little Black Bear down South are pretty tame and not much bigger than a Mastiff. Up where you are I’d think the Brown Bear y'all have would probably need something in the stout 300gr plus.44Mag or .45Colt variety. But I’m not from the PNW and am not sure you’re referencing bears so I could be wrong.This is all great information guys, I appreciate it. I basically want a lot of hit at close range with the 38s and the real energy will be focused at 357 that'll work in both rifle and the Blackhawk. But I run around in the backcountry with some pretty big animals and sometimes just a 38, so I want a Lil more stopping power if it's available. Maybe a 160grn wadcutter would be best for 38 and pursue the bigger bullets in 357 and bigger cases... I have a 148wc and a Lee 158swc mould. Just haven't loaded any 158 home cast up yet...
Unique is one of the best heavy lead .38Spl powders made. IMO. And 2400 does the same for 170gr + bullets in the .357Mag.
This is all great information guys, I appreciate it. I basically want a lot of hit at close range with the 38s and the real energy will be focused at 357 that'll work in both rifle and the Blackhawk. But I run around in the backcountry with some pretty big animals and sometimes just a 38, so I want a Lil more stopping power if it's available. Maybe a 160grn wadcutter would be best for 38 and pursue the bigger bullets in 357 and bigger cases... I have a 148wc and a Lee 158swc mould. Just haven't loaded any 158 home cast up yet...
The LBT designs maybe turn the .357 into a bigger gun.
I have tried the heavies in 357 but settled on 158 grain LSWC they do everything I need them to do and they are dam accurate
158 and 160 grains
Elmer keith did a lot of experimenting with heavy 38 special loads ... this was pre 357 Magnum day's ...
He designed many moulds but discovered anything over 170 grains would not be stabilized by the twist rate of S&W barrels .
I had better results shooting Silhouettes with the Sierra 170gr FMJ than anything else.When I was shooting bowling pin matches I loaded a 200gr RN in my 4" 357 Mag and it would clear the table as well as my 45 auto but was harder to get back on target.
I do play in brown bear country sometimes, but when doing that I'm carrying a 44 with 300+ gran ammo in it. Around my neck of the woods we do have some large black bears which sometimes act inquisitive instead of flighty, so them and mountain lions. We also have lots of big dogs with untrainable owners, so having enough gun is a good idea. And free range cattle too. I seem to find them everywhere. Again, mostly not an issue, but not small if they decide to trample you or your camp. Plus the garden variety tweaker seems native to the pnw.Anything bigger than a boar hog and the .357 with stout 170’s or heavier. Our little Black Bear down South are pretty tame and not much bigger than a Mastiff. Up where you are I’d think the Brown Bear y'all have would probably need something in the stout 300gr plus.44Mag or .45Colt variety. But I’m not from the PNW and am not sure you’re referencing bears so I could be wrong.
I try to let bears pass by peacefully and so far I have been very lucky. Ditto for panthers.