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Heh, rifle CCW?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by TreeSquid, Jan 4, 2003.

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  1. TreeSquid

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    Anyone know what the laws are regarding concealed carry of a RIFLE? Friend of mine wants to carry an AK-47 with a drum in a guitar case, to accompany his Bulgarian Makarov. Yeah, seriously. :D Assuming he has a CCW, I'm curious if LEOs or knowledgeable 'normal' people know the legality of this, or what hoops he might have to jump through to make it happen. I'm in Washington state, if that makes a big difference. Thanks a lot.

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  2. cratz2

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    So the AK will be a backup to a Mak? Man...

    I recall when I lived in Texas that you didn't need any license to walk down the street with a shotgun or rifle in hand as long as it was in plain view. That's changed, no doubt.
     
  3. Kaylee

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    Hrmm.. legally, I reckon it depends on the state. Idaho just says "concealed weapon" which I presume could mean anything from a pocketknife to an M4 or AK or whatnot, if you could keep it concealed.

    Practically, I'd say it depended on the cop. And cops that would grin and nod at the pistol might be a little bit.... curious as to why he's regularly toting a rifle. Officer discretion can be unpleasant as well as happy sometimes, I think.

    And finally..... I'd think if your buddy is planning trips where he thinks 75 rounds of 7.62x39 on his person are in order... it might be time to rearrange his dayplanner.


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  4. Steve Smith

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    I've thought about the same thing. It will come down to your state's laws and how important it is to you...not necessarily in that order.
     
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    Plain view or concealed, it doesn't matter. If you're in town, I'd suggest concealed unless you're the attention-grabbing type. :)
     
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    I live in Washington and recently went to get my ccw. It says on the card "license to carry concealed pistol".

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  7. VG

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    It depends on the laws in that state. You might try packing.org. Plan on not being the most welcome customer at Burger King.
     
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    In Arkansas it is perfectly legal to walk around with a long gun. But you WILL draw attention.
     
  9. Master Blaster

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    Sounds like a good way to get tackled by the swat team.

    Folks like to use those AKs to shoot up businesses and schools it seems.

    Heck maybe he could help get the Assault weapon ban permanently reinstituted.

    Concealed carry is to defend your life, not to play commando.

    If he has to use it how many innocents will he hit when he sprays that 75 rounds on a busy street, or even an empty one??

    He could get one of these to carry:

    http://www.costumesinc.com/costumes...828899&st3=49165324&Product_ID=2883&CATID=119

    Now if he wants to keep it in his trunk to respond to a breakin or a riot or an armed assault by Osama thats a different story.
    Carring a guitar case with an AK everywhere he goes is a bit over the top.
     
  10. jrhead75

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    I live in Washington too. "It's a License to Carry a Concealed Pistol" these days. When I got my first one way back when, it was called a "Concealed Weapon Permit". I don't know what law changes went with the name change (other than it's now "shall issue"). Guess I'll have to do some research.

    Gotta admit though, you've got my curiosity raised with your buddy's "AK in the guitar case" concept...:scrutiny:

    They make perfectly good rifle cases for 'em.
     
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    I had a friend who lived and worked in rough neighborhoods in Philly.
    He wanted to build one of the pistol AR-15 pistols from a parts kit to use as his CCW.
     
  12. Tamara

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    Y'know, even if there were absolutely no laws regarding how a weapon may be carried or what types of weapons you could tote, there is no way I'd lug a 10+ pound rifle around everywhere I went. In the trunk of my car? Maybe. Drag it everywhere in a guitar case? Pointless. Out of curiousity, what scenario does he envision that would give him time to set the guitar case down, open it, retrieve his gat, and make use of it?
     
  13. geekWithA.45

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    Good luck finding a holster and hiding that thing.
     
  14. TrapperReady

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    Sounds like your friend has been watching too many Robert Rodriguez films.
     
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    I recall when I lived in Texas that you didn't need any license to walk down the street with a shotgun or rifle in hand as long as it was in plain view. That's changed, no doubt.

    No you can still wander around with a long gun, nothing illegal about it EXCEPT you could still be arrested for Disorderly Conduct if carrying a long gun around agitated people. Which it probably would unless you were out in the country.
     
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    In my state, CCW is limited to a "handgun" of "45 caliber" or less. So, you could carry a TC Encore in .45-70, but not a 50AE Desert Eagle, I guess.
     
  17. Joe Demko

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    Relax everybody. Guns in musical instrument cases do have a highish kewel factor. The thing is, kewel has a a significant novelty component. He might actually lug it about for a day or two. Then when the novelty wore off and that gun wasn't getting any lighter, it would start being left in the car. Eventually, I foresee it just being left home.
    What nobody has addressed is that if you are seen toting this guitar case around with you all the time, sooner or later somebody is going to ask you to play. My, my, what an awkward moment, especially at work or school. Also, you are just about bound to run into real, live guitar players who are curious and would like to see your guitar. At best, you are going to look like a pathologically secretive weirdo when you tell them "no." All in all, this whole idea has more of "wow'em at the gun club" shine to it than any real practicality.
     
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    Before the California Department of Justice standardized the paperwork process for CCWs in 1999, the issuing agencies were a little lax in the details regarding range qualifying. At the time I was managing an indoor range; we were also the agency that ran the range qual portion of the CCW process- if you had or were in the process of receiving your CCW you had to pass our course-of-fire. Well, the owner of the range had a CCW and just for sheer cussedness added a new firearm on his permit when it was reissued (in California, you have to qualify with the firearm you are going to be carrying, up to four allowed- if you’re nailed carrying anything not on your permit, it can be revoked). He even put himself through the range shoot.

    His new firearm? A pistol gripped Remington 870. He used to keep it in his truck when he was transporting the Class III stuff for the local PDs.

    Good times.
     
  19. jdege

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    You have to read the law

    In Minnesota, the permit is called a "Permit to Carry a Pistol".

    And the statutes that define and describe the permit don't say anything at all about long guns.

    But over in the other statute that forbids carry of long guns in public, there is a list of exceptions. And having a handgun permit is one of them.

    You have to read all of the law, case as well as statute. And in many cases the administrative rules, as well.
     
  20. Sunray

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    What's he expecting? A rifle is not exactly a defensive firearm.
     
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    I wouldn't mind an MP5K-PDW.
     
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    In California, the official document is a “License to Carry Concealed Pistol, Revolver or Other Firearm Within the State of Californiaâ€â€¦ this being the odd loophole in the system.
     
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    Right on! With the shoulder-rig & lanyard that automatically extends and locks the Choate stock! :D

    Now that's "tactical" even without carbon fiber, IMO...

    Hmm.

    If I could get a good gunsmith to make an AR-15 style bolt-release that could be operated one-handed for my Kel-Tec Sub-9, I think you'd have a dandy poor-man's version of the MP5K system.

    Safety off, bolt locked and retracted, full mag in the grip, and folded. Raise it up, while folding the barrel down with your support hand, and as it closes, thumb the added bolt release. Very, very, mall-ninja.

    It would allways be a two-handed rig though, unlike the MP5K, since the stock and reciever are one part, and it's the barrel and breech that folds instead. Also, if you release the bolt and it strips a round before you get the barrel closed, you'll either have the embarrasment of a 9mm round tumbling out the front of the action onto the ground, or worse, a very interesting jam on your hands.
     
  24. BerettaNut92

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    QBG, I only OWN two pistols...can I have my Benelli listed?!?!?!?!? :cool: :D :cool: :evil: :cool:

    Too bad I can't list a stupid fixed blade knife :rolleyes:
     
  25. atek3

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    So?

    further revealing the sham of "gun rights" in this country

    ***, if he was in rhodesia or compton, I might think an ak in a guitar case is "just what the doctor ordered", but come on, who are you to judge.

    Wahhh, sprayfiring from the hip, evil baby killers.
    Seriously man, AK's aren't MOA accurate, but under 200 yards with wolf ammo you could put all 75 rds. onto a human silouette. So I think the threat of "spraying them on a busy street" is likely a bit of "projection"


    Sorry if i come off really harsh in this post. We should really hang out sometime, I'm not a jerk. skunk can vouch :)

    atek3
     
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