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Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Boba Fett, Dec 4, 2009.

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  1. H&Hhunter

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    WOW!!

    This has been some of the most incredible fuzzy logic I've ever seen. Even on the net. It's not sport hunting it called culling. It's done for economic, environmental and conservation purposes.

    It doesn't matter who put the hogs here in the first place (the Spanish were the first) they are severely over populating and causing billions of dollars worth of agricultural and environmental damage every year.

    Anybody who can't see that the comments about .223's bouncing off of hogs were sarcastic and meant tongue and cheek needs to get a grip.

    Helicopters are used because they are the most effective method. How does anybody here know that these hogs are not finished off? Because the little 8 minute video didn't show it? Most are but there are bound to be a some that go off wounded to die later. It happens. I simply can not believe some of the responses on here. It shows me that the PETA mentality is alive and well and even if not a an active member their propaganda and brain washing has sunk in with some people.

    Here this should really get your goat. The problem I see here is that reality and the Disney fantasy of talking human like animals doesn't really work out most of the time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZrFIcWzSEo&feature=related
     
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  2. Boba Fett

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    Cool vid H&H. And more good points.
     
  3. Double Naught Spy

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    Yes, the problem exists, but "one of the worst ecological disasters" was NOT caused by hogs as claimed. Yeah, they were part of the problem, but only because (as is claimed) the Vikings destroyed all the trees first and lost or turned loose aggressively and hungry animals (pigs, sheep, and goats) that ate anything they could to survive which apparently kept the environmental disaster created by the Vikings from being able to recover. Besides, blaming hogs as a culprit animal when sheep can overgraze and goat eat just about any plant available is pretty silly, especially after what the humans did.

    So yeah, the problem persists, but not because it was caused by hogs. They may be an ongoing problem, but then so too are the feral goats, feral sheep, and the human population on the island as well.
     
  4. X-Rap

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    Well spy Texas and the rest of the south/southwest is not an island and I for one am still having difficulty with your analogy. Is man at fault for a great many disasters? Yes, is he also capable with the help of nature to right these things? Yes.
    It sounds as though you think this hog problem can be fixed by some serious retrospect and contrition. It can't and while people diddle themselves the problem gets worse.
     
  5. chas08

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    Well said H&H

    An ugly but undeniable fact. Death in nature, even at the hands of man, can be cruel, even without the intention of such.


    What I find scary, is that it seems to have sunken in with some people who hunt. Surely more will follow.
     
  6. hossfly

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    I wouldn't go so far as to say people who believe in quick kills are PETA. PETA doesn't accept our position on the food chain. I would say being critical of this method of hog control demonstrates a misunderstanding of how much damage hogs can do and how fast they reproduce. It may also be tinged with a bit of the same attitude many modern, urban hunters have of thinking hunting...and their idea of what that is...is more important than just about anything. Livelihoods come before recreation.
     
  7. chas08

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    Not what I said. It's the failure to accept that it doesn't always happen that way that bothers me. That was one of the first lessons my Dad and Grandfather taught me to accept about hunting long before I fired my first shots.
     
  8. Double Naught Spy

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    I can understand why you are having trouble, X-rap, but it may be a RIF issue. The analogy was HoosierQ's back from post #109, not mine. He made the claim that hogs caused the ecological disaster in Iceland, not me. You are right. Texas and the southwest are not a geographic island. Maybe you should ask HoosierQ why he used such an example.

    Let me draw your attention to the following article on the issue. Note that humans did considerable damage to the woodlands for food, fuel, fertilizer, building materials, etc. Cattle, sheep, goat, horse, and pig all did damage as well. Improper land management caused problems as well. Simply put, there is no way you can blame what happened in Iceland solely on the pigs. That is just rubbish. Specifically for the joint animal issue, look at “landnám package” described by Amorosi in the article.

    http://lettuce.tapor.uvic.ca/cocoon/journals/scancan/article.htm?id=mcguire_1_16

    Texas isn't an island? Apparently, you don't know Texas mindset. Texas is a whole other country. :D
     
  9. plumberroy

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    I would like to see the longer version of that video the few shots shown where a lot cleaner shot than the video in debate here
    Roy
     
  10. Flintknapper

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    I suppose I’ll have to disagree…….;)


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    The above is as much as I am going to contribute to this tread.


    Everyone knows where I stand on the issue of Feral Hogs (We don’t cut them any slack)!
     
  11. H&Hhunter

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    If shooting pigs from a helicopter makes your little feeling hurt this should just send you into the stratosphere.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOamPCuq4F0

    Helicopters are also used to cull elephants, horses, donkeys camels, tarr, and variety of other critters that need culling.

    I accompanied a friend in South Africa who culled out a big old stink bull giraffe that was in need of being gone on a ranch in the kwa Zulu Natal you'd have thought that I was personally responsible for having killed Bambi, Thumper and the Little Mermaid all at once from some of the responses and PM's I got off this sight. Or it might have been the old TFL it was a while ago. But it definitely showed me in no uncertain terms about the mentality of many so called hunters on this site. They run around with a holier than thou attitude preaching their gospel about how only certain species are OK to hunt and then only in a certain manner and have no concept of the way it's done in the rest of the world outside of their local county. Or that any other method or species besides a white tail buck with a scoped rifle or a bow or whatever they hunt with can be hunted ethically.
     
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  12. RockinU

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    He knows...
     
  13. Boba Fett

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    I have to admit, I'd have a hard time shooting a giraffe. I certainly wouldn't shoot them simply for sport (or any animal for that matter, but that's me). But if it were causing a problem for the farmers/inhabitants of the area or needed culled like deer so they don't starve themselves to death, then I have no problem with it.

    But I'm just not the sort to shoot something just to mount it on the wall or to fly to some other country just to kill an animal for the sake of killing it. I'm more of a "use what you hunt" sort of guy, unless of course we're talking about culling/pest control.



    Heh heh. Oh yeah. :D
     
  14. X-Rap

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    Again, Man owns this problem but dealing with it is in the present so the actions must have results. History will be useful when someone again thinks about releasing a non native species into the wild but I doubt if it will be considered very much.
    In your post you clearly blamed both man and hogs, I have no quarrel with that. My complaint comes with the blame but lack of action and resolve. The problem needs to be fixed and holding long dead men to blame for something caused half a world away has nothing to do with today's hog problem. Hell I live in Colorado and we don't have wild hogs, I guess its not my worry.
     
  15. H&Hhunter

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    X-rap,

    Oh how wrong you are me friend!There is a healthy population of wild hogs in southcentral, Co and also in Southeastern Co. IN fact down around Trinidad they are plum getting out of control. Before you know it they'll be in places in Co that will be real trouble faster than you think is possible. And if you think that the cold winters will keep them out remember that wild hogs live in Siberia.

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    Boba Fett,

    Just curious but why would you have a hard time shooting a giraffe? Is it the size the beauty what about a giraffe would make it difficult for you to hunt one?
     
  16. X-Rap

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    H&H I guess I should have shown more sarcasim, I don't doubt that they are following the Arkansas and other rivers into Colorado and they will make a real mess of some of those mellon crops down there.
    Hannibal will have to be hearding them to get over here to the western slope unless they come up from Az. through the Indian country.
    As far as Giraffes or anything else, I try to keep my moral compass polished up and if I feel through what I have learned and been told an animal presents a valid hazard I have no problem with dealing with them in a terminal way.
     
  17. RockinU

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    Not sure what I would do with a dead Giraffe. Are they good to eat? For sure wouldn't fit in my house. I guess if he was topping my oaks or something I would bust him, but that doesn't seem a likely scenario.
     
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    Wow, that is some amazing shooting and even more impressive piloting! And yes, this is culling. No ethics involved.
     
  19. Boba Fett

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    Primarily yes. They are beautiful creatures. The size of the creature doesn't really play into it.


    But again, that doesn't mean I wouldn't shoot them if they were a problem for the area/locals. I would not shoot them simply for sport, or any other animal for that matter. But that's me and I have a "don't kill it unless you're going to use it" mentality, the exception being when an animal is causing a problem/threatening to an area/community/livelihood/person.

    I mean, I'd have a hard time shooting kangaroo also, but in Australia the darn things are overpopulating (kind of like deer tend to do if we don't thin out the population). So for the betterment of the species as a whole and for the people in Australia, I'd shoot kangaroo. I hear they are also very tasty.


    So the short and sweet answer to your question is, it'd be though to shoot an animal like a giraffe because of the beauty of the creature, but if it were for a good reason and not just for sport, then yes I would shoot them.
     
  20. schlockinz

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    Haven't you heard? Hannibal was reincarnated as a pig.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they showed up on the banks of the Yampa one of these years.
     
  21. H&Hhunter

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    Apparently they are considered one of the most desired game meats available. The one we shot went to the local market at top prices.

    Every animal shot "over there" are utilized for their meat. Once bull giraffe get to a certain age the local farmers like to get rid of them as they become very aggressive towards younger bulls often injuring or killing the other bulls. A giraffe fight is something to behold they really get after each other.

    Here is a new prospective on the "docile" giraffe. You ought to see what they do to a car when they're sexually charged up and piss off.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q63hi_fU0zs&feature=related
     
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  22. Boba Fett

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    Hmmm...sounds like I need to try giraffe meat. Maybe some giraffe jerky.
     
  23. Art Eatman

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    Now that we're into the giraffe bidness, it looks like it's time to call it a night...

    :)
     
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