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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by wild03, Sep 24, 2021.

  1. Bazoo

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    Your welcome. Just passing in what I’ve seen on a couple forums.

    My buddy had a ppu 30-30 lock up his marlin 336. I was there, but not shooting it. He said it felt normal and I thought it sounded normal. We finally got the action open and the case looked normal.

    If you reload, it’s easy to remove the bullet and reduce the powder charge by 2-3 grains. If it’s loaded hot.

    If it’s loaded in soft brass, reducing the powder charge slightly will cause the brass to expand less to some degree and might cure the problem, or not. Not much you can do if this is the case.

    If you don’t reload, about the only thing you can do is swap it off. Less you find a reloading buddy to help.



    I’ve been seeing reports of others having problems with ppu in several chambering, some being hot loaded and some being softer brass that’s sticking. The softer brass was in 44 mag.
     
  2. reddog81

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    Shoot it and see if there's a problem. There's no reason to be worried about it until you have issues with it. PPU is a well established brand and works OK for the vast majority of people. A dirty gun can cause ammo to become difficult to extract.
     
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  3. wild03

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    Stopped by a local reloading supply store today, I bunch of Dylan reloading presses at the entrance display. When I asked about primers I was told they have not seen primers or powder in 18 months. WOW! I was told to look online and to expect to pay a fortune. Should I bother with other stores or are manufacturers not delivering to brick and mortar stores anymore?
     
  4. Lnf Crzr

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    021B6B17-87A4-4CD6-A09A-E377CBFF539F.png Books, You tube videos and a simple single stage press.

    Straight wall cartridges to start ,pick 1

    Keep only One powder on the reloading area at a time

    Don’t make it complicated - Research and develop questions. Ask here


    A simple press. Find someone who reloads to mentor you… if able.

    Take your time.

    Components. Don’t need many primers/bullets/brass to start. 1 small reloaded box of ammo at a time will make you happy

    Ps - Track down the smallest Gun shops , Ask for components.
     
  5. wild03

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    Found this information https://www.usreloadingsupply.com/news-primer-shortage-2020 a year old but maybe still relevant they cite this article https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/great-primer-shortage-2020/383204
    It seems that my plan will be to get the rest of the supplies ready and wait for primers to became readily available. About the only thing left for me to get is a way to clean brass. Natches has a tumbler for $50 https://www.natchezss.com/frankford-arsenal-quick-n-ez-case-tumbler-110v.html and I can try local HArbor Freight for walnut media. About done reading the Lee Book that came with the press.

    Will probably be 2 years before primers show up and the cost would be much higher, but such is the government inflation tax. Thanks all for the replies
     
  6. Howa 9700

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    Can't help you with the pistols, but you won't need a huge investment in 1,000's primers and jugs of powder to get started for your rifles. I started with a couple pounds of powder and one sleeve of 100 primers. That will get you 5 boxes of rifle shells (no extensive load development).

    Usable powders are coming up at many of the mail order places, including Hodgdon. Primers also showing up online, but in a pinch, there remains Gonebroker (GunBroker). If you were near me, I'd hand you a sleeve of primers for free. That is what someone did to get me started.

    Reloading shop in St. Charles MO had been getting steady supplies of good, usable powders, Hornady bullets, but no primers. But then even the powder dried up, although they are expecting more powder soon. Told me they had placed an order amounting to nearly $100,000 and would be lucky if they got 1/10th that. So it comes and goes and you just need to keep your ear to the ground and likely as not, it will all show up soon. Just be ready to act when it does, as the window of opportunity slams shut pretty fast these days.

    I expected my startup to take as long as a year or more, and in reality, it was more like 3 months and I was up and running.
     
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  7. heyboy

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    We have been finding some primers from time to time at Academy and Bass Pro for good decent prices. Found powder at a couple local shops from time to time for an OK price, about $35 LB average. I bought my walnut media at Pet Smart (lizard bedding), it works great for a great price.
     
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  8. stillquietvoice
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    Keep looking at as many places as you can. Several online retailers are getting them in. I found cci srp and cci#41 at a shop I frequent but refuse to pay his price.
     
  9. Lnf Crzr

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    Start, With a Muzzloader
     
  10. RashQuestion

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    You just have to keep trying to find them. I found a number of them at Bass Pro for a decent price a short time ago. It took a multitude of trips to my closest location standing in line before they opened up in the morning but I was persistent. Can't tell you how much I spent in gas chasing them or how much time I spent in line. But I thought $60.00 per brick was reasonable all things considered.

    Good luck in your quest and God Bless!!!
     
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    As far as trimming brass, bottleneck rifle will need it.
    Concerning 9mm if have probably shot 100000 rounds I have reloaded and never trimmed a 9mm case.
    Nowhere near as much .380 but I don;t trim them or .45s. (any semi auto brass I load)
    .38 and .357 gets trimmed sometimes, makes roll crimping easier if brass is the same length.
     
  12. MauriceSam

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    All of the posts are right on target, but yours is almost verbatim of what I would have said. I started 35 years ago with a Lee "C" press, .38/.357mag Lee dies, and very basic stuff. I felt it was probably the easiest place to start to get the procedure down and start to understand what reloading is all about. Have more presses now, Lee, RCBS, MEC, load rifle, pistol and shotshell, and look at load data from many different manuals to find a place to start with load development. I tend to have "average" loads for general shooting, but also specific/accurate loads for each of my guns. For me loading is the fun part, being able to shoot more is great. Being able to tailor a load and spend more time shooting to get it right is the big reward.
     
  13. wild03

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    Thanks for the advice, I was able to get 8lb jugs one of Hodgbon CFE pistol and one BLC (2) rifle, from natchez. i can try asking at the nearby BassProShop for their primer situation.


    Thanks for the offer, It's nice to see how people help each other in this community.

    I have been waiting to order the tumbler until the 38/357 lee dies are back in stock at natches, was hoping to bundle the shipping cost, that is the last set of dies i was planning to get. Thanks for the tip on walnut from pet store.
     
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  14. Bazoo

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    I've found primers at the local academy in the last year. I also have bought several bricks from individuals met on armslist. $100 a brick is the most I paid. I've seen primers at several gun stores for $80-130. I also bought some shotshell primed and traded to a gun forum acquaintance for pistol primers.
    The point is, look often and buy what you can.
     
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  15. wild03

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    What are your thoughts on the
    Lee Load-All II Shotgun Press 12 ga for $53
    is there anything else required to reload 12g? can i cut regular shells and make my own short shells?
     
  16. wild03

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    Update, stopped by BassProShop today, they do not carry reloading supplies. maybe there is no great demand in my area, not sure. one good thing i got out of it is that i looked on their website and they have a $20 off with CC signup. so the 38/357 4 die set is $44 shipped. So, pulled trigger there, and will order 12g press and tumbler from natchez.
     
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  17. heyboy

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    Plan on using your tumbler outside of living area, like garage or back porch. It's too loud for indoors, plus dust is an issue. I have a wet tumbler now but i loved my vibratory tumbler and had a frankford arsenal colander type separator. it was just a simple tray that sets on a 5 gallon bucket. Not a rotary basket with a handle. I highly recommend the simple tray and you could actually use a kitchen grade colander with big enough holes. I use a kitchen one with my wet tumbler and when i hand wash in a bucket.
     
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  18. wild03

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    Will do Thanks, I kept the front and back metal grill from a broken table fan. about 15" diameter and wires are close enough to hold down to 32ACP. Lets see how that works out but the two halves clamp together or i can use just the front on top of a bucket.

    Any benefit with wet cleaning?
     
  19. heyboy

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    There's pages and pages of discussion with pros and cons to both wet and dry. Personally speaking; The only downside to "dry" was a little dust and i liked to wipe each precision 308 case by hand with a rag. Downside to wet is the whole process is a PITA, and I don't even use the steel tumbling pins. Plus you're a day or two out on the drying process if you don't bake them in oven, I don't. I dry them in the sun or in front of fridge. So your actual question, Benefit; not dusty and you could get the inside of case and primer pocket pretty clean.

    Edit: My post is not a complaint that you asked. I said pages and pages because I'm not trying to start a wet / dry war and my response is based on my likes and my experience.
     
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