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help i suck at shooting

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by claytonfaulkner, Apr 15, 2008.

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  1. claytonfaulkner

    claytonfaulkner Member

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    ok i dont really suck but im not as good as i want to be, i have shot glocks, berettas, ruggers, keltecs, smiths and a few other various guns and it seems like the only thing i am satisfied with are the revolvers. my current pistol is a beretta px4, and i shoot it better than anything else, but its just because i have shot it more. so my question is, what can i do to learn how to shoot better? ive been shooting all kinds of guns sence i was little but was just never really shown very much about simiautos, just about everything i shot untill i was 16 (im only 18 now) or so was a revolver.
     
  2. dmazur

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    Well, the following is heavily 1911-oriented, and also Jeff Cooper slanted, but it's not really wrong, even if you are more into Sigs or Glocks...

    Here is a link to a Wikipedia article about modern pistol technique

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Technique_of_the_Pistol

    And here is a link to a book about Cooper's technique

    http://http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/the-modern-technique-of-the-pistol-/products_id/60

    There is an awful lot of material about pistol shooting. IPSC, IDPA, etc. etc. However, I believe the above is a good starting place.
     
  3. bogie

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    son, nobody's EVER perfect.

    deal with it.

    and practice is fun. If it isn't fun, go play golf or something.
     
  4. chris in va

    chris in va Member

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    Check your eye/hand dominance. Are you able to focus clearly?

    Try shooting a CZ 75 sometime, I think you'll be impressed.
     
  5. dmazur

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    My reply was kind of a hint - see if you can borrow a 1911. Full-size is easier to control than the chopped "Officer's" and "Compacts" (And the Commander length, which I have, is a compromise between the two.)

    This is not the only pistol available (obviously), but to the true believer, it is the only pistol that matters.

    (Now all I have to do is duck while all the Sig, Glock, and Springfield fans throw things...)
     
  6. Kind of Blued

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    Like 9mm bullets?

    I'll be waiting in the wings with some vitamins to help your body deal with the bruising process.
     
  7. rrruuunnn

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    search amazon for book reviews. good thing about revolvers is dryfiring.
     
  8. trickshot

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    Reading books is good, but I suggest that you try to find someone competent to train you.

    When I was in high school (late sixties), one of the teachers had a sportsmans club for students and once a month after school he would bring two 22 rimfire target rifles and bullet traps and set them up in the old gymnasium. He was an NRA certified instructor and very good at teaching shooting skills. During the course of four years I worked my way through a complete NRA training course shooting in four positions, and became an expert marksman. The shooting skills I learned there was a fantastic foundation to build upon, and later when I taught myself to shoot pistols it was an easy transition for me.

    The point I'm trying to make is that training with an expert is a great thing. And it doesn't necessarily have to be formal training with an NRA certified instructor. Maybe you can find an older person like myself who would enjoy teaching someone to become a better shot.

    Also there is nothing wrong with using a revolver instead of semi-auto.
     
  9. FireArmFan

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    I reccomend getting training. Formal or informal. If you know someone who's been shooting pistols a long time and can pass along some wisdom, then ask for help. It's a great way to get better. Or sign up for a class and have an instructor give you a few pointers.
     
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    See who shoots the best at the range and ask him (or her) for some instruction. If he says "no way", then ask the next best shooter.
     
  11. plexreticle

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    If you have the money get a .22LR pistol and practice, practice practice.
    If you don't have the money for that get a pellet gun or an airsoft and practice while you save up for a 22 LR.
     
  12. BruceRDucer

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    Hey Clayton

    Hey Clayton, welcome.

    I shot a semi-auto for many years, with fair accuracy as an instinctive shooter.

    When I finally decided to shoot a revolver, I was shocked at the instant improvement in my instinctive accuracy.

    I don't know why this is. Maybe I'm just stupid?:uhoh:
     
  13. Superpsy

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    I'd say it doesn't hurt to take a formal class. I'm at the point where I'm about to sign up for one so that I can learn from someone more experienced (and better) than myself.
     
  14. Justin

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    Want to learn how to shoot better?

    Then compete.
     
  15. Rugerlvr

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    I learned how to shoot in JROTC in high school. My school actually had an indoor .22 range. They've since torn down that school and built a new one in it's place. Care to guess if it has a shooting range anymore?

    I never did go on to a military career, but I used my JROTC training to win a bunch of .22 rifle shoots.

    My skills are rusty, and my body is older and shakier (coffee anyone?) but I still know how to form a sight picture, and slow my breathing, and squeeze off shots.
     
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    I agree with BruceRDucer. My semi-auto centerfire shooting has always been fair-to-middlin'. I bought a Ruger GP100 and SP101. With both guns, I shoot considerably better. I'll admit I load softball stuff in .38 cases for most range sessions (cheaper and easier on my wrists), but even with some warm .357 loads, I still shoot better than out of my MP9.

    Try revolvers. You might be *very* surprised at the difference.

    That said, I want a 1911 in a big way. :p

    Q
     
  17. Deanimator

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    The key to learning to shoot WELL is a lot of intelligent practice.

    Just blasting away will probably accomplish little more than using up ammunition.

    You need to learn and concentrate on the fundamentals, such as

    grip
    sight alignment
    breathing
    trigger control
    followthrough

    I highly recommend that you take the NRA Basic Pistol course.

    Owning a .22lr handgun such as a Ruger MkII or S&W Model 17 will allow you to practice enough at manageable expense so that you can reinforce your ability to use all of the fundamentals of shooting in a consistent, repeatable way.
     
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    I suck at basketball, that's life, usually we gravitate to things that we are good at, I also suck at pool so I don't play often. It depends how determined and how important it is to you. If you really want to learn and have no money, it's easy, join the Marines, or Army, they will spend millions of dollars training you in all aspects of shooting, and then you really won't suck. That's why a lot of older guys are in to guns, they served and in the process, handed down thier knowledge to thier sons and grandsons. Now that we don't feel it necessary to have a draft. and rely more on professional soldiers and newfangled wepons systems, you have less men and women learning this and other skills. Man, I watch survivor the tv show, and wonder how these kids get out of bed in the morning, without help. Most old timers would consider that a paradise, to be on a desert island full of food woman and no one shooting at you, where do I sign up for that.
     
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    Buy a 22 caliber pistol and practice till you got it down. Then move on to bigger more expensive calibers. The 22 will allow you to shoot all day long for less than $30. You can get 1000 rds of 22 lr for less than 150 rds of 9mm.
     
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    Taking a class helps. I highly recommend it so you can get some one on one/personal help.
     
  21. Black Majik

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    I agree with others, a NRA pistol class may go a long way. Any class really that'll teach basic fundamentals should help your shooting.

    That said, dryfire, dryfire, and dryfire more. Place a penny on your front sight and dryfire without letting the penny fall off.

    Also email the Grayguns guys for a Dryfire packet at Dryfire@grayguns.com
     
  22. Larry E

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    Practice sure helps, and some people can evidently shoot anything well. I had a Browning Hi Power and an S&W 5906 that I could shoot but not well. Small hands and big grips. I have a couple of Kimber 1911's, a Ruger P345 and can shoot them better because they fit my hand better. I have an S&W 22S that has a large grip that I can't shoot as well as my Ruger Mk II. No problems with a GP100 .357 or a couple of Blackhawks either.

    I find that if the grip is too large, either to thick or too long front to back, that I can't hold the pistol well, even two handed. The only way to find out is to shoot them for me because they all felt very good in the gun shop.:eek:
     
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    I've been on a quest to improve as well, let me share some of what I have learned.

    For me, shooting at the range is exactly the wrong time to begin work on fundamentals. Ammo is expensive and range time should be considered application time, not practice time, IMHO.

    Practicing the following fundamentals is free and can be done at home:

    (in no particular order)

    1. Trigger Control
    2. Both Eyes Open
    3. Front Sight Focus
    4. Sight Alignment
    5. Proper Grip
    6. Proper Stance
    7. Presentation/Sweep Safety
    8. Holstering
    9. Simulated Tactical Reload
    10. Dis/Assembly, Trouble-Shooting

    I'm sure there is more, this is just a list of what I have been concentrating on. In my case progress is slow but noticeable. For some reason I'm the kind of guy that needs lots of time to internalize what I am learning. I can go months with little improvement, then suddenly I'll have an epiphany and the pieces come together. For example: I still have difficulty keeping both eyes open. At one point I literally could not do it. But I practiced and practiced, a little here and a little there, and then one day I was able. I still catch myself closing my left-eye, but it is happening less-and-less.

    So, be patient. The best didn't become the best overnight, and we all have a lifetime to improve.
     
  24. Pat McCoy

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    There are lots of little things to consider, but only two basiscs: sight alignment and trigger control.

    Lots of dry firing with attention to these two basics will improve your shooting with any rifle or handgun you pick up.

    Practice without a goal will not always get you where you want to go. What if you just practice your mistakes? They will become more deeply ingrained.

    Find a club or certified instructor offering a basic class, and practice the proper technique you will learn in the class.

    Pat McCoy NRA Certified Rifle, Pistol, PPP Instructor
     
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