help me choose between 2 pump guns

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I am looking to pick up a 12 ga pump of the 18 1/2 in breed , I am looking at only two choices im interested in
1, Rem arms 870
2, Mossberg 590a1
only interested in these two Brands, The 590 A1 is a little more money but is it that much of a better gun then the 870 new production ?
Thanks in advance for any opinions
 
I've heard good things about the new Rems coming out, but I would still go with the Mossberg. Their customer service is generally pretty good as well. I'm a Mossberg guy though.

Considering the 870 and 500/590 were traditionally a coin flip decision with their best examples, I think the favor now leans to Mossy until Rem can prove itself again
 
What specific features should also be considered as adding or changing anything will increase final cost to the owner.

https://www.remarms.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/
https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/action/pump.html?mb_model_family=590A1

Currently, if wanted, Remarms isn't offering any ghost ring sighted 870s as the old Remington used to do.
Although Mossberg does show many 590A1 versions on its website, it may not even be possible for an FFL to find a specific model to order. Mossberg's production and availability is quite disappointing at the moment (along with several other firearms companies and their models; not just shotguns).

Me? I've got both.
An older Mossberg 590A1 #50765
https://www.mossberg.com/590a1-m-lok-50765.html
My older model didn't come with an MLOK fore-end and has a 5+1 capacity.

Then I've got two 870 shotguns:
-a Remington "870P Max"; ghost ring sights; Surefire fore-end light; +2 extension; and came with a Speedfeed IVs pistol grip stock (since changed out to a Magpul stock).

-and a pre-Remarms Tac-14
https://www.remarms.com/other-products/model-870-tac-14
which came with a +1 mag extension and a pistol-grip-arm-brace, but since converted to an SBS with straight stock; and a used 14" barrel with rifle sights.
 
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I voted Mossberg.... but I myself wouldn't, and didn't, get the A1...it's a terribly heavy thing, that thick barrel adds a lot of weight.

The other plain 590's with normal barrels are a good bit lighter...I got a 590 SPX and really like it.
 
The FieldMaster is drilled and tapped. I saw it Friday when I looked at one. Might be hard to replace the ball front sight. But adding a rail shouldn’t be an issue. Not sure if other models are.

Isn’t the 870 tactical a ghost ring model? I always preferred an 870. Who could fault anyone for getting a Mossberg?
 
The 870 is a better shotgun.

The action is just so much smoother than the janky Mossbergs. The 590A1 is a pig of a gun and doesn’t swing to target well at all.

The heavy barrel was designed to not be dented by metal bulkheads aboard Navy ships. That is all. Do you live on a Navy ship? If not, the overly thick 590A1 barrel is nothing but a detriment for ergonomics and weapons handling/balance.
 
My biased opinion would be the 870, 31.5 years of training with and carrying them makes me intimately familiar with the gun and its operations. My own HD shotgun is a Wingmaster from many years before the troubles started, and I can rely on it 100%.

But, the Mossberg company hasn’t had the huge issues Remington has had, and the reputation the 590 has for reliability is excellent.

6 of one, half dozen of the other IMHO. I would find the best deal on the shotgun with the features you want, and take that route with no hesitation. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
I'm biased towards Mossberg shotguns. I have been using a 410 Mossberg 500 since 1985 and it has had a lot of shells shot and still going strong. I also have a 12 Gauge 500 bought around 1987 that has seen a lot of use waterfowl hunting, again no issues. I also used Mossberg shotguns while in the Army and they held up just fine with years of use and abuse by GI's.

I had a Remington 870 and a couple of 870 clones. The ergonomics just didn't work for me. And no matter what I did they all pinched my fingered when trying to load them.
 
Get the M870.
I’ve owned several M870’s, and was issued two. (Different agencies I worked for)

I owned One Mossberg. First shotgun I ever owned. I bought it when I was 13 with money I earned running a paper route.

I wore it out! For my 14th birthday I got a Lee loader, and components to load 25lbs of shot (250rds). Over next 4yrs I shot it approximately 3500 times. A year! (A buddy also had a Mec Grabber he was given).
It was a 500C in 20ga. It only had a single action bar that eventually began binding. The gun was just shot loose.. And I wanted a nicer shotgun. Traded it.

Winchester Model 12’s were already discontinued. Win Mod 1300’s weren’t much better than the Mossberg.

I presently have two M870’s. An Express I picked up at a pawn shop after I retired. I retained my 21” Slug barrel that I shot 2nd place with at the NPSC Nationals. I got beat by 1X with a perfect score for another National record. I’d beat the previous record by 2x’s. Score still stands. Winner got a Factory Engraved 870 donated by Remington! I got a lousy REM 597.... oh well, story of my life.....

The 12ga 870 Express was missing the bolt slide plate and magazine cap. Both easily replaced. I’ve got 4 barrels for it. 18.5” Police Cylinder, 21” Police Rifle Sights, 21” Turkey Vent rib w/Remchokes, 28” VR RemChokes.
The Express was a bit “rough” to start. It had been bought, shot one opening day of dove season and disassembled and couldn’t be put back together. Parts were bagged or lost and gun dumped at the pawn shop. I reassembled it and “cleaned” up the action. Won a couple of more NRA PPC matches till shotgun matches were essentially discontinued due to ammunition shortages of ‘07-08.

My other M870 is a WingMaster CDL -Skeet model in 28ga. Needless to say it is NICE. But with realities as they are, I’ve only shot skeet with it twice. I bought it when a LGS was going out of business, (bankruptcy sale, no box or choke tubes except for Modified tube in barrel.
Price was RIGHT !

If you can find a nice older WingMaster used, they are much nicer than the new ones.
My younger brother still has his he bought while in high school in 1978...he’s also acquired two extra barrels for it...
 
If you're wanting a fighting shotgun the 590 is a better choice than the 500 and probably the equal, maybe better than the 870. But it is a heavy, cumbersome gun to handle but it was designed from the ground up as a fighting gun and to correct design flaws with the 500. For hunting the 870 is a better choice than the 500.

I could make do with a 500 for hunting but wouldn't trust it as a fighting shotgun. I'd trust the 590 if I were issued one. But if spending my money, I just like the 870 better. It is, and always has been a solid design. There have been QC issues over the years at times. But nothing that couldn't be easily corrected. Granted you shouldn't have to fix those minor issues. But I like the design enough for it to be worth it to me.
 
I would get the Remington , they just feel more balanced to me . You won’t go wrong with either one IMO , choose which one feels best to you .
 
I guess the 870's appeal just doesn't appeal to me...

I've got a very nice late 70's vintage Wingmaster, it's a good gun by any measure... but for hunting or anything else I've always preferred the Mossberg.

It's the location of the controls, I'm not left handed, but I greatly prefer the Mossberg setup, always have... even over my Browning Auto 5 and Sweet 16.
 
I chose mossberg for my home defense shotgun when both were worthy contenders because I am left handed.
 
Every Mossberg I've ever owned or held had a slide that rattled. Quietness counts for a lot in certain situations.

Give me a Remington 870 with ghost-ring sights and an extended magazine tube.

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I've got a 30 year old 20 gauge Mossberg 500 that's looser than a $2 dance hall girl... rattles like crazy, but its put hundreds of grouse and quail on the table... no idea of round count but it's a lot...I got it used.

The newer ones don't seem get so noisy, there's been some changes to the action bars over the years.
 
I've got a 30 year old 20 gauge Mossberg 500 that's looser than a $2 dance hall girl... rattles like crazy, but its put hundreds of grouse and quail on the table... no idea of round count but it's a lot...I got it used.

The newer ones don't seem get so noisy, there's been some changes to the action bars over the years.

I just don't want any rattling to give away my position in a combat situation.

One sees in television and movies, entry teams clunk-clunk-clunking with hard-heeled boots or shoes. If you are heard coming, then the enemy can shoot through the wall or the floorboards (up from the level below) and turn you into a casualty. Again, quietness can be golden.

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The Mossberg was, and always will be, a price point firearm. They are widely used by the military for one reason and one reason only: cost.

It uses a cheap aluminum receiver and as mentioned, they’re rattle traps right out of the box. Not to say they aren’t decent enough guns but the quality is just not there compared to an 870.

The 870 is built to last. Milled from billet steel and smooth as silk, no rattle even after plenty of use. There’s a reason top end tactical shotgun builders such as Wilson/Scattergun Technologies utilize 870s.

That being said, I would never own a Freedom group 870. Quality control was non existent. The RemArms variants are supposedly better but that remains to be proven over the long run.

Luckily there are thousands of gently used police surplus and civilian 870s from the golden years of manufacture. These are the finest fighting pump shotguns yet and a gun that can be trusted on. As said, rhe Mossberg is acceptable as a bare minimum but why risk your life for the lowest bidder?

The 870 wins. Period.
 
Recently I bought each of the shotguns you are asking about during a black Friday sale (590Tactical & 870Tactical). I can offer some experienced impressions I witnessed with each of them sitting side by side. My intention was to see for myself after all these years how they compare and what improvements I might make without spending any of my retirement money other than to purchase the shotguns. Since then I have sold them to folks I know. Here are my observations...
1. Both examples were the tactical models with 18.5" barrels and synthetic stock and forend. Both cycled as they should out of the box.
2. Both had decent fit expected for the tactical models with a few exceptions I will mentioned below.
3. The barrel on the 870 had a nice shiny bore as expected.
4. The barrel on the Mossberg was unfinished inside and had the same rough surface as the outside of the barrel. MB customer service responded & said that was normal! Subsequently I shot a full box of ammo through it to get some heat in the barrel and see if it would be hard to clean the plastic wad material out of it afterwards. Sure nuff! Much harder to clean than a polished bore.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-experienced-mossberg-500-590-owners.913372/

5. The Mossberg required greater effort to cycle the bolt than the 870 by several pounds of effort. Most of the difference was in the very first inch of the cycle when the bolt was recocking the hammer.
6. Each of them benefited from a slickening process by polishing some internals with flitz and a polishing bob. The Mossberg benefited the most, and dropped the amount of effort required to cycle it by 4 pounds. It still remains more effort than the 870 before and after slickening. The 870 was measured at 5lbs to cycle. The 590 was almost 10 lbs to get it started.
7. The controls location preferences are up to the user. I did install the metal safety actuator on the MB but really didn't see much difference in the effort to activate the safety.
8. For me the bolt release position on the 870 feels more natural.
9. The 870 is easier to disassemble, but neither should be considered a deal breaker for that reason alone.
10. Some folks prefer how the shell carrier operates on the Mossberg. It is a nice feature but not a deal breaker for my uses. Either works fine.
11. Both have a reputation of reliability, and I saw no reason internally that would doubt the continuance of that same mechanical performance.
12. After a shooting session with both shotguns, MY choice was the 870. The ergonomics fit me and it just feels lighter and more handy to me.

These were my observations on the two shotguns. Shotguns are not new to me. Currently I own 15 of different vintage and models. I have owned several 870's through the years. However, I had never owned the Mossberg! I wanted to see the differences and what I had been missing. Growing up in the 1960's, the Mossberg was considered a cheap shotgun to buy if you couldn't afford a better one. After a few years Mossberg made a few design improvements to the 500 and history has been made since. Choose what you like. Either will serve you well. Try to lay them side by side in a bog box store and see for yourself. Good Luck!
 
I have a Mossberg 500 chambered in .410. It has been as reliable as a light switch. I have no experience with the 590

I have two Rem 870’s chambered in 12 gauge. Both are for critter control on our hobby horse farm. On has a collapsable stock on it so my 5’-2” wife can use the gun and I can extend the stock for me.

Both have been reliable but not really shot much.

So, I’d pick what aftermarket items you want on the gun and go that way.
 
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