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Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by Sisco, Aug 29, 2014.

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  1. Sisco

    Sisco Member

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    If ya can :)
    Looking through a garage full of antiques and spotted this, don't know why but I paid $10 for it. I'm thinking it's a Harvey Wall Hanger or a Rusty POS. Suppose I'd hurt the value if I bead blasted it, coated it with clear and hung it on the wall?:rolleyes:
    I brushed away some of the corrosion but could not find any rollmarks.

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  2. 243winxb

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    Win. M94 is my guess WIN9430WCF.jpg
     
  3. WestKentucky

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    You have a really cool piece of scrapmetal. I would tinker with it and try to figure out its age and info. It does appear to be a winchester 94 but what vintage and chamber? Where did it aquire it's "character". Was it in a recent saltwater flood and fire or was it lost in some epic Indian battle?
     
  4. rcmodel

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    Looks like a house fire relic, fairly modern, 94 Winchester carbine to me.

    Probably a 30-30, but there are several other possibilities as to caliber.

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  5. bainter1212

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    Neat.

    Will it fire if cleaned up and lubed? Lol. I would have bought it too....if only to add to the "count" of my collection.
     
  6. Jim Watson

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    Definitely a Model 94 (Or 1894 if older than when they changed the model designations, I think in the 1920s.) Looks like an Eastern Carbine (Short barrel but no saddle ring.)

    The bore looks pretty small, probably a .30-30, maybe a .25-35.

    A little oil and steel wool will clean it right up.
     
  7. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Probably need some Cold Blue, & Duct Tape too!

    And maybe paint the front sight white with model paint!

    Or, put a TackyCool Red-Dot on it in a Scout-Scope Mount! :D

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  8. Jim K

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    While it might be possible to try and restore such a relic, I would advise against it. An old gun like that missing the wood parts may mean it was in a fire and the wood burned off. That would destroy the heat treatment and make firing the gun dangerous.

    The gun is post-WWII, so it was not owned by Sitting Bull or Wild Bill Hiccup, or lost in an "epic Indian battle". The history, or at least some of it, might be found. If the serial number (under the front of the receiver) is visible, the Cody Museum may be able to tell you where the gun was shipped and when. They have all the original Winchester records.

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  9. Jim Watson

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    It hasn't GOT a front sight, so we will have to go with the Tactical Red Dot.

    But what is wrong with model paint? I use it widely on guns that I haven't bought fibre optic sights for.
     
  10. tnxdshooter

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    I think I'd have a gun Smith check it out and see if its okay to fire. If they say yes I'd have it bead blasted and cerakoted socom blue.
     
  11. Sisco

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    I have no plans to actually fire the thing! At most I'll clean it up, maybe find a buttstock and weather it to kinda match the condition of the gun then hang it on the wall.
     
  12. Sisco

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    After cleaning it up in a bead blaster, I had a couple of local gun gurus check it out: its a Win model 94, manuf. around 1960 (uncovered the serial number in the bead blaster), 25-35 caliber. On their advice, I now have it soaking in a 50/50 mixture of lemon juice & water to try and free up the action. Scored a free buttstock for it in the process too!
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  13. bainter1212

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    Nice. Anybody wanna bet he'll turn this one into a shooter?? :)
     
  14. Sisco

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    Always the possibility! :eek:
     
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    if the lemon juice doesn't do the trick my grandpa always used kerosene. kroil is good stuff as well.
     
  16. Jim Watson

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    I have seen an acetone and transmission fluid blend recommended, too, but kerosine is cheap.

    Time is your friend. If the lemonade doesn't work, rinse and dry, then leave in whichever solvent you pick for a week or two before hauling on the lever or trying to turn screws.
     
  17. rcmodel

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    I surely hope not!

    It's a house fire gun if I ever seed one.

    The receiver, bolt, and locking block heat treating & the springs are toast.

    Don't even be tempted to try to shoot it.

    And forget the lemon juice.
    Use generic white vinegar.

    It's way cheaper, and works way better.


    rc
     
  18. chazwood

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    Love it. The curiosity of whether or not it will fire is temping but you know what curiosity did to the cat.
     
  19. SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE

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    plus1

    Plus 1 on the white vinegar ! I would think that if it had been in a fire that the springs would lose their tension ? Wouldn't that be a telltale ? Kevin
     
  20. rcmodel

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    Yes, it sure would.

    But, he has to get something to move, or apart first, to see if any of the springs are still springs.

    I'm still betting it's been in a house fire to get in that condition.
    In which case, the springs will not be springs.

    And the receiver & bolt won't be either, other then shaped like them in annealed soft steel.

    rc
     
  21. Jim Watson

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    I think the greatest threat is that somebody is going to try all the penetrating formulae at once and generate a noxious cloud worse than a gunshot.
     
  22. WestKentucky

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    Could a simple Rockwell test be used to determine e hardness and verify if the bits are safe to use?
     
  23. mag1911

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    I would put a permanent plug in the chamber if I turned it into a wall hanger. No telling what your heirs might do with it.
     
  24. Field Tester

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    That'll buff right out :D
     
  25. Sisco

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    Update!

    It's now officially a wall hanger. re-rusted it, then coated it with a matte clear and added some wood. I wanted the wood to be a sun faded silver-gray but all attempts failed. Soft woods like pine would artificially age nicely but the walnut just turned black so I settled for leaving it bare, beat up and unfinished.

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