Help me pick a new hunting rifle/cartridge

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Barrel life is something I do not need to worry about. I shoot a few hundred rounds a year TOPS out of my hunting rifle. The recoil thing is more about this: I would likely shoot it more if it were more comfortable to shoot. If I were never going to shoot but the 2-3 times take a deer, I would not be looking for a different rifle :)

I like to shoot my 527 7.62X39 and will shoot many boxes in a sitting due to the light recoil. I shoot my .308, just not as many rounds in one sitting. I am just looking at this as an opportunity to get into something that I might enjoy shooting more than I currently enjoy shooting my .308, that will do what I need it to do to a deer just as reliably.
 
Varminterror: You get it. I think the pair of 6.5 Grendel and 6.5 creedmoor would do everything I need, and be more fun while Im doing it. And yes I probably have enough 6.5 Grendel hunting rounds currently to last my lifetime, and will stock up similarly when I find a good load for any cartridge. If I sold my 30-06 or .270 or .308 the ammunition I have on hand would travel with it.

Another draw of the creedmoor ( though not impossible of .243 or some others) is to have a bolt/semiauto pair in the same cartridge, which could be fun. I see having to stock fewer different cartridges as a good thing.

Regarding the coolness of the cartridges, or trendiness or whatever: I am not trying to say that any of the more traditional cartridges will not do what I want. But I asked because I really don't know much about, and haven't shot, many of these options. Including 7mm-08, .243, .260 and including the 6.5 creedmoor.

Thanks for everyone's input. I think I will now play the waiting game for the m70 in 6.5 creedmoor to hit distributors. I located a Sako Finnlight in .308 locally that I will go check out, but I don't expect the stock to be as nice as the B&C on the Winchester, and expect it to cost about $500 more.

Anyone interested in a ruger gsr .308 ;) I might be posting in the classified section soon.
 
I'll say one more time (and then I'm done on the subject) you should think about taking up handloading. You say numerous times you don't enjoy shooting the .308. If you handload, you can build light-recoiling target/plinking rounds that would make the GSR far more fun at the range. I'm pushing this because I didn't get into reloading until my mid-40s. Had I known all you can do as a handloader/reloader, I'd have started long before then. Not only does it enhance the capability of any single firearm, it is a fun and relaxing hobby in its own right.

Whatever you eventually decide on, this thread is "finished" until you post PICTURES! Good luck to you!
 
Legionnaire: Will do! Regarding the hand-loading, it may be something I get into later in life. However with a 4 year old, 2 year old, third on the way I just don't have time for another time consuming hobby right now. I also don't get to shoot often enough to take full advantage of the benefits.

Varminterror: I'm not in love with the gsr anymore. I have always had a scope mounted traditionally on mine, which means the rail was removed for clearance. Then I am left with a funky barrel profile and bolt that binds up on me if I don't run it just right. I liked the idea of the high capacity mags for hog hunting, but the Grendel AR is just a better tool for that now. So using this 16" gun with a low capacity 3 round mag and a traditional scope... there are better options out there. I am ready for a more refined, longer barreled, more purpose driven deer hunting rifle. I don't know that I will buy another laminate stocked rifle either.
 
If I were buying another whitetail deer rifle it would be without a doubt be in 6.5mm Creedmoor.

Any of the three rifles you mentioned are good choices although the Barrett looks cool, pick the one that speaks to you lol.

The Tikka T3X is a good quality rifle too.
 
After a certain point ammo availability becomes a moot argument.
As long as there is a few accurate loadings that aren't sky-high, you are good to go.
 
If I were buying another whitetail deer rifle it would be without a doubt be in 6.5mm Creedmoor.

Any of the three rifles you mentioned are good choices although the Barrett looks cool, pick the one that speaks to you lol.

The Tikka T3X is a good quality rifle too.

The Barrett looks very very cool. Cant imagine spending that much on a rifle I have never seen before, and it doesn't look like anyone will be stocking them around here. I may be able to get cabelas to bring one in though....I also fear I would struggle to shoot such a light rifle very well.

A lot of people love tikkas, and I have no doubts they shoot well. I have never been drawn to one that I handled. Cant put my finger on it.... Feels a lot like the xbolt to me. feel cheaply made. If they were less expensive I might have to have one (xbolt/tikka both).
 
I’m disappointed to hear your Ruger binds on you. The bolt slop on travel is intentional, but they do lock up tight when closed. The binding thing isn’t right, I imagine it shouldn’t take much to lap in the rails to eliminate the binding entirely.
 
I’m disappointed to hear your Ruger binds on you. The bolt slop on travel is intentional, but they do lock up tight when closed. The binding thing isn’t right, I imagine it shouldn’t take much to lap in the rails to eliminate the binding entirely.

Its one of those things that I like and I don't like. I love how overbuilt the ruger is. It isn't trying to be the smoothest bolt in the world. I prefer it to the tikka action for this reason, trading smoothness for heft. I was just meaning to say that this time, I am looking for something more refined as a whole package. I think the m70 action is a good mix of heft and refinement, with the use of the bolt bushing. I could certainly improve the Ruger action, and it has improved with use, but as a package I am ready for something else.
 
The Barrett looks very very cool. Cant imagine spending that much on a rifle I have never seen before, and it doesn't look like anyone will be stocking them around here. I may be able to get cabelas to bring one in though....I also fear I would struggle to shoot such a light rifle very well.
Did you check the dealer chart and map on the Barrett site for dealers near you?

https://barrett.net/purchase/united-states-retail
 
I’m disappointed to hear your Ruger binds on you. The bolt slop on travel is intentional, but they do lock up tight when closed. The binding thing isn’t right, I imagine it shouldn’t take much to lap in the rails to eliminate the binding entirely.

My Ruger GSR SS tended to bind on me when I didn't run it just right, just like the OP describes. I thought it might be related to the susceptibility of softer stainless steels to galling, but have since read reports of the same issues with the blued version. Regardless of the cause, it took a lot of the fun out of an otherwise neat gun, at least for me.
 
I have a pair of GSR’s, a gaggle of M77 MkII’s and Hawkeyes, and have worked on dozens of others over the years. If an M77 is binding, it needs attention. Once such is addressed, it won’t ever be an issue again.
 
Spent some time shooting my 30-06, .270, and 6.5 grendel over the weekend.

150 gr. 30-06 out of my CZ 550FS is pretty enjoyable. The gun is not what I would call light, and has a very thick soft pad on it. That gun just shoots well.... which is fun. And it is pretty, and everything about it screams quality. I have Alaska Arms QD rings installed so I can shoot it scoped or through the irons. Consistent 1.5" groups through the scope with federal vitalshok.

The .270 out of the Ruger American I would not call fun. Shooting 130 gr. out of that lighter rifle felt much more "sharp". One thing that makes it less fun is that gun has never shot well. Talking 2-3 inch 5 shot groups at 100. The stock flexes to the point that I do not think I could remove enough material to keep it touching when resting on bags forward of the magazine or using a bipod. I will likely sell this or give it away at some point.

The grendel is in an AR, and this was my third outing with it. Cannot get it to shoot. May be sending the barrel back to Odin Works for them to check, as it came with a 1 MOA guarantee. Hornady 123 grain SST and ELD are around 3-4". Crown looks good, don't know what it would be.

So after shooting two boxes of 30-06, a box of .270, and three boxes of grendel, my search has been reinforced. It also reinforced that I just don't enjoy shooting an AR from the bench, and do not expect to hunt from a stand with this rifle even if I get it to shoot well. I will likely swap out to a red dot and save this one for hogs exclusively.

So now I feel pulled in two directions, and drawn towards two very different firearms. Because I have the 30-06, and it shoots well, I am thinking of picking up a CZ 527 6.5 grendel in either the American or Varmint barrel profile. I think either would be light enough to get to am from a stand, the Varmint probably ending up around the same weight as my 550, though I cannot find a published weight online (this model does not appear on the CZ website). I imagine the Varmint would be the ultimate bench gun, and just fine from a stand.

AND/OR
pickup the M70 Extreme weather 6.5 creedmoor when available as an ideal hunting rifle that should be nice to shoot from a bench.

Anyone that has killed more than a few deer with the Grendel want to weigh in? Talk me into/out of this tiny little cartridge as a deer slayer.
 
The grendel is in an AR, and this was my third outing with it. Cannot get it to shoot. May be sending the barrel back to Odin Works for them to check, as it came with a 1 MOA guarantee. Hornady 123 grain SST and ELD are around 3-4". Crown looks good, don't know what it would be.

Gonna say there’s something wrong. With the 123 ELD, my latest Grendel will shoot ~1MOA to 800yrds even when shooting on the clock. I used mine to practice for a progressive “hit to advance” match back in January, all shots on 8x12” Targets. I had a lot of lead up time, so I took plenty of practice to develop DOPE for the match, using 8” round plates. Only at 900 did I feel like the rifle wasn’t holding Hornady Black 123 ELD’s tightly enough to connect on EVERY shot.

Anyone that has killed more than a few deer with the Grendel want to weigh in? Talk me into/out of this tiny little cartridge as a deer slayer.

Compared to the .270 or .30-06, the Grendel is as you described - a tiny little cartridge.

But...

It’s more than enough for the job, as long as you’re not trying to reach 500yrds across beanfields. Guys have done it, but it's not a reliable game. I started hunting the Grendel in 2005, and have been in and out of the round a few times. I’ve predominantly used my Grendel’s for meat doe, and back then, we could take up to 8 per season, plus any nuisance animal tags I could pick up with landowners nearby. I’ve also hunted the 6.8 SPC for as long, virtually identical performance on white tails and hogs. Between the two, I would guess I have 40-50 hogs and 15-20, maybe 25 deer under these rounds. Including my buck this season.

I haven’t killed enough with the 123 ELD to say it would be my number one choice for 300yrd+ shots on 300lb+ Midwest Whitetails, but I didn’t feel undergunned in the least going after the 2 bucks we were targeting this winter. That confidence was proven right. The 123 SST should give a little more reliable weight retention than the ELD, but after hunting it this year, I have every confidence in it for 0-300yrd whitetail harvest.

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Stuck the ELD right through the pump house - he wasn't going far after that... I've stuck NBT's and Ballistic Silvertips through the pump house just like this, pushed by the .30-06, with very similar carnage.

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The bullet pictured below stalled under the hide on the far side. As I've mentioned in other threads here, many guys might call this weight retention a "failure," but it did the job, exactly as I expected of a tipped bullet. It did hit with relatively high impact velocity, only 35yrds. After hunting poly tipped bullets for over 20yrs, I was more worried about bullet failure at close ranges than I was of failures at longer ranges. I'd be happy to employ this load out to 300yrds on any whitetail in the woods.

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Here's a visual comparison, sort of, between the relative impact power of the 6.5 Grendel, at right, and the 6mm Creedmoor. At 600yrds, you can see the difference in impact energy in the bullet splashes. The Grendel was barely clearing the base paint, whereas the Creedmoor was splashing bare metal larger than a 50 cent piece.

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Varminterror, I hope you realize how helpful these kinds of posts have been to me.

The likelihood of me having the opportunity to shoot a deer at 300 or beyond are nearly zero, and I wouldn't feel confident in my ability to do so from a tree stand anyway. After my experience this past weekend, I am about ready to scrap my grendel build and pickup a CZ 527 grendel for the upcoming season. Your experience with it on game is quite impressive, and the game you have pictured is even more impressive!

For now, that is most likely what I will do. Pickup a 527 (will be my third, love these things) and determine after the season if there is really any reason to add anything else to the safe.
 
By the by, since you mentioned comb height as a problem on page 1...

Take a look at Victor Company cheek risers. They’re polymer, but the factory look does look at home on a nice wood stock. They simply screw to the top of the comb of your wood stocked rifle.

I’m a stickler for a good cheek weld.
 
I recently purchased a Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather in 7mm-08. I mounted a Vortex Viper scope and it has become my go-to deer rifle. I don't picture me taking anything else out of the safe for deer hunting anytime in the near future.
 
Well... I got a wild hair and purchased a used Barrett Fieldcraft in 6.5 CM with 21" barrel about an hour away. Pretty good deal I think, enough so that I could recoup my $ if I don't love it. The bad thing is I will be heading out of town for the weekend so I will not have it in hand until next week, which means no pictures until that time :eek:.

My plans include mounting my VX6 3-18x44 firedot duplex in Talley rings and starting to test factory loads for the upcoming season. Ill have to start browsing the factory hunting loads now.

If I like this thing as much as I expect to, this could put a lot of rifles on the chopping block. Will report back as soon as possible!
 
6.5 Creedmoor is just another 6.5x55 re-invention......
You want Light, deer killer, fun & different, yet familiar?

Buy a CZ 527 in 6.5 Grendel. Light (6.4 lbs), what recoil? and so forth. I am a 6.5x55 Advocate, HATE the .270 Winchester, and can't wait to get a CZ 527. You probably should too!
 
6.5 Creedmoor is just another 6.5x55 re-invention......
You want Light, deer killer, fun & different, yet familiar?

Buy a CZ 527 in 6.5 Grendel. Light (6.4 lbs), what recoil? and so forth. I am a 6.5x55 Advocate, HATE the .270 Winchester, and can't wait to get a CZ 527. You probably should too!

I am a 6.5x55 fan also. I’ve had my 550 American for quite a while now. I use it more than my other rifles. Where we differ is I like the .270. It’s what I used for thirty years. Within the range I hunt, under 300 yards, I don’t think it makes much difference between the two cartridges except I appreciate the lower felt recoil of the Swede. It’s also exceptionally accurate with 130 grain Bergers.
 
6.5 Creedmoor is just another 6.5x55 re-invention......
You want Light, deer killer, fun & different, yet familiar?

Buy a CZ 527 in 6.5 Grendel. Light (6.4 lbs), what recoil? and so forth. I am a 6.5x55 Advocate, HATE the .270 Winchester, and can't wait to get a CZ 527. You probably should too!

mpd61
I like the 6.5 Swede and I agree that the 6.5CM is really nothing all that new.. What I don't get is why you don't like the 270. I like the 270, it's not my favorite but I like it... Could you explain what it is about the 270 that you don't like... Just curious..
 
The 6.5 Creedmoor isn’t a 6.5x55 clone. It can’t run nearly as fast.

But I’ve never been happy fitting a Swede into a short action either.

And of course, how many x55’s are you seeing on shelves these days, vs. Creedmoor’s? Oh... yeah... about that...

All of the cartridge debate is really moot, the dude bought the rifle...
 
You might enjoy the CZ 527 in 6.5 Grendel. You already like the rifle. You already have the ammunition.

 
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