Help me pick one of two AR's

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by innerpiece, Sep 15, 2008.

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Pick one AR for me

Poll closed Oct 5, 2008.
  1. Panther 5.56NATO Sportical

    46 vote(s)
    68.7%
  2. Panther Lo-Pro Classic

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    31.3%
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  1. innerpiece

    innerpiece Member

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    Hi folks!
    could you please fill me in a bit on the ups and downs between these two rifles..

    Sportical specs- http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5295

    LoPro Classic specs- http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=1067

    Ive been told I can build my own, different brands, etc etc.. but I would like to choose between these 2 rifles, so if you could help me a bit, I would greatly appreciate it!

    Ill be concerned with:
    -what rifle will double best as HD/Varmint
    -Accuracy out to 250yds

    Im not all that familiar with the 5.56 x 45 round...
    -is it the exact same as .223Rem?
    -what bullet weights would be best for accuracy in a 16inch barrel with a 1x9 twist out at 250yds?

    this will be my first AR type rifle. so I really appreciate any and all help to my questions. Ill be shure to post up range/shooting reports as soon as I get it (within a week)

    Thank you folks, much appreciated.

    ip.

    PS, please excuse my spelling error in the title, or any udder ones ;)
     
  2. Timradcliffe345

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    If I were you I would stay away from DPMS and other lower tier ARs.
    There are a lot of better choices out there. It would serve you well to surf over to www.m4carbine.net.
     
  3. Timradcliffe345

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    The chart below (courtesy Rob_S) is a good starting guide. Since you mentioned HD I would not skimp on the rifle quality.

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  4. innerpiece

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    mmmkay.. thanks... but like I said, Im looking into these two... so if ya wouldnt minding looking at the two provided links, then if you care to, share something that will be relevant to my decision..
    I would greatly appreciate it!

    thanks, ip.
     
  5. RockyMtnTactical

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    Between those two choice, I would choose the first one, it is gonna be much lighter.
     
  6. rob_s

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    Why are you limited to just those two?

    I don't really care what you buy, just don't understand the limitations.
     
  7. strat81

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    Sportical. Handier, lighter, and it has an adjustable stock. It's a pound and a half lighter than the other rifle you mentioned. Neither have sights; be sure to budget for those.

    5.56NATO and .223 Rem are similar. You can safely fire .223 Rem in a 5.56 NATO chamber but you cannot safely fire 5.56NATO ammo in a .223 Rem chamber.

    For more on ammo, check out the Ammo Oracle: http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/

    Most accurate out of a 1/9" twist will probably be a 69gr Hornady OTM (check the TAP and custom lines) or a 69gr SMK in something like Federal Gold Medal Match. Bring $$$.

    Incidentally, those are great for HD too. If it's too rich for you, 55gr M193-spec ammo is decent for HD too. For varmints, look at something smaller and lighter. The 50gr JHP Federal Value Packs from Wal-Mart are decent on critters.
     
  8. innerpiece

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    RMT and srat81, thank you verry much!
    Thats the way I was leaning.. wasnt shure a bullbarrel would make too much difference out at 250, but I dont know..
    (RMT I was hoping to hear from you, Ive read lots of yer posts and appreciate yer time!)

    Rob S.. Im not really limited,, but for my budget, and considering I want a flat top, these 2 seem the best for my buy.. If Im looking at other options, Ill definetly open a thread regaurding those specific rifles aswell.

    thanks folks, Id love to hear more opinions!

    ip.
     
  9. Timradcliffe345

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    I pick none of the above.
     
  10. innerpiece

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    Im not suprised...lol.. but thanks for yer time any way.
     
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    never got all the hate for dpms, I love mine and know quite a few others who do as well
     
  12. Picard

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    I'd buy a rifle kit from Del-Ton. I'm not one for buying an AR without a dust cover, shell deflector or a forward assist.

    What you do is buy a stripped lower, and then get the kit. You can put together the rifle easily in about an hour and you'll have a great AR with exactly what you want in it. www.del-ton.com
     
  13. innerpiece

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    Okay...
    mabey I should have started the thread out like this:

    I know it is hard for some folks to stay topic oriented when it comes to AR's.. Kinda just like 1911 Topics......... but we all start somewhere, and one of these 2 rifles is where Ill be starting..



    For the good folks who have show this respect, I appreciate it!

    For the folks with other brands and options etc etc: When yer buyin, Ill take whatever, k?!

    Im just trying to get a couple things cleared up via Q/A about TWO SPECIFIC RIFLES...

    again, thanks to the folks on topic with info to add, I appreciate it alot.

    picard, I appreciate yer input, but if you could kindly share what you think of the 2 options I have listed, I would appreciate that even more.

    thanks again folks, ip.
     
  14. Timradcliffe345

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    Innerpiece: For a little more $ you can get a rifle that is far superior to the two you have selected. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on the features that an AR15 weapons system requires to operate reliably.

    My advice to you is to save up a little more money and buy quality. If you don't wait and buy quality you may never have the chance to again. Good luck to you..and God Bless you.
     
  15. theken206

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    I suggest saving some more cash and picking up an AP4 btw, wouldnt want a newer ar type rifle sans dust cover or forward assist
     
  16. rob_s

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    At $700, I don't really know what else to suggest.

    Of the two, I guess I'd go with the lighter one. But I really would save up another $200 and get something WORLDS better.
     
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    Jesus! The man wants what he wants.

    Sense it is for HD too I would take the one with the smaller barrel.
     
  18. rob_s

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    Which is obviously fine, and most of us have simply said things along the lines of "I don't really care what you buy but you might consider xyz". Nobody is telling him "you have to buy this or that" or coming down on him.

    He's free to choose between the Pinto or the Chevette, I doubt it really matters much to anyone here.

    Some people will stay living in that crummy 1-bedroom apartment for an extra year while they save for the house on the hill, while others will rush out and buy that single-wide with lot rent. Either way it's them that has to live there.
     
  19. guntotinguy

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    If this is a point of choice for you,id go with the first one.I have one like it and its 'alright' but as later I did move up the 'chain' a little and went RRA,etc.

    # 1 would be my guess
     
  20. Walkalong

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    My thought when I picked between them.
     
  21. GearHead_1

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    When I read the title of this thread I thought to myself I wonder how long people will stay within the bounds of the question. It went south on the first reply. Unbelievable.

    This is just our of line. With the little bit of information that has been exchanged in this thread how could anyone suppose to know how well another is educated on a subject? What a childish response, why would anyone follow this poster's advice? Go start another thread on AR's and share your opinion.

    Innerpiece, I'm sorry for hi-jacking your thread any further.
     
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  22. rob_s

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    It's the internet, it happens.

    If someone posts "I'm going to be picking up a kick in the head or a kick in the ass, which would you pick?" would you just answer the question or advise that he skip them both?
     
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    I don't care what anyone says, that sir, was funny. :D
     
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    first off, disregard "the chart", unless you completly change direction here and go for an m4. then even if you decide to do that, i wouldnt put much stock in "the chart", unless you only look at the warranty column.

    personally, unless you plan to carry the rifle more than you shoot it, i would go for the heavy barreled version because i think you would see better accuracy. on the other hand, if you plan to hump the rifle as much as you shoot it, go for the lightweight model.

    i think you would be well served to look for something other than an extruded upper though.
     
  25. theken206

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    lol at the AP4 not having an m4 feedramp btw
     
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