Help with 5-digit .38 S&W Hand Ejector

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Got this in the shop and the owner wants to place date of manufacture.

All the places I've looked have SIX digit serial numbers, this gun has five. (# 788xx)

Grips are hard rubber, the SN under the right grip matches the ones on the butt and barrel flat.

It's a 5-screw chambered in .38 Special.

No "made in America" on side of frame.

Lot of writing on top of barrel, nothing on sides.

Thanks!

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Howdy

One give away as to the age of that revolver is the large 'mushroom shaped' ejector rod cap. Later guns had smaller diameter ejector rod caps.

According to SCSW the serial numbers for 1906-1909 ran from 73,251 to 146,899. To get more specific than that you will have to letter the gun, which costs $50.

P.S. While you are checking serial numbers, look at the rear face of the cylinder and the underside of the extractor star. The SNs there should match what is on the butt.
 
Based on those numbers and presuming output was the same each year, the gun was made in 1906, possibly 1907

This confirms the story the owner told me about this gun being used by the original owner in 1908.

Thanks!
 
Ok, all numbers match, as expected.

I'd say this gun is in 95%+.......ie; only 2-5% of the original finish remains, mostly under the thumb latch. :D

Mechanically sound, etc. Action is great and shoots well. I'm guessing dollar value to be around $150.

Thoughts?
 
Sounds about right.
Keep in mind this gun predates heat treatment of cylinders, so stick to standard pressure lead loads only.
Also it lacks the positive internal hammer block safety, so it would be safest to treat it as a 5 shooter, leaving the chamber under the hammer empty.
 
Howdy Again

Don't try to get too specific with dating that gun. The dates I gave you are for the years listed, however it is anybody's guess exactly when a specific gun with a specific SN was made. S&W does not keep records of when guns were made, they keep records of when guns shipped. Sometimes a gun would be warehoused for a long time before shipping. As I said, the only way to be sure when the gun shipped is to letter it. However since your SN is fairly early in the series I quoted, it is a good guess that it shipped fairly early in that range.

Depending on where you go, $150 is probably a low estimate. If I came across that gun at that price I would buy it. No, I would run to the check out counter with it before the shop owner came to his senses. It used to be you could pick up nice old five screw like this for under $200. That is no longer the case in most places. Although still a great value for the price, older Smiths have been rising in price. I see them in gun shops these days for anywhere from $400 - $700. I won't pay $700 for a plain five screw 38, but I have paid $400 a few times. Much of it depends on where you are. I know a couple of old 38s that are still sitting on the shelf at around $600.

What you have there is a nice, no frills old Smith. Nothing outstanding about it, just a nice old K frame five screw. If I did not already have so many of them, I would probably pay $400 for it.

The photo is clipped a tiny bit, but it appears from your photo that the grip is the round butt style. That model was made with both round butt and square butt. Incidentally, the grips themselves look to be in pretty good condition, and you could probably get $150 for them alone. But please don't do that. I hate it when I find a nice old Smith with incorrect grips because some unscrupulous dealer has sold the old grips separately.

Don't forget, most dealers will only offer about 50% of what they expect they can sell the gun for.

P.S. Although that gun lacks the hammer block, it does have a rebounding hammer. It was designed specifically to be safe with a live round under the hammer, as opposed to most of the revolvers made in the 19th Century. Yes, there is a remote chance the hammer stud could break off and allow the firing pin to strike a primer, but it is very remote. I would not hesitate to load it with six rounds, that is what they were designed for. I just would not throw it on the ground. And I would keep the pressure down with the ammo.
 
I appreciate the input.

It isn't my gun, just one a friend gave me to clean up. Dried up oil is all I've found "wrong" with it, easily remedied.

The owner won't sell it, but I'd be first in line if he did. I agree with the assessments made about the gun.

The reason I/we were trying to place date of manufacture was to prove or disprove the story that came with the gun:

The original owner was the great, great uncle of the current owner. Uncle was a doctor in the civil war and carried emotional baggage from it. Later, a disgruntled patient burned down the good doctor's barn, after which, he sunk into a deeper depression. In 1908, the doctor could take no more and ended his life. Allegedly, with the gun pictured.

We were hoping the gun wasn't made until 1909, but it appears that this gun could've been used after all. I've relayed the information to the owner and he can decide if he wants to spend the $50 to get it lettered.

I doubt he'll ever get rid if it, even if it was the gun used. He and I view it as a tool misused, no "fault" of the tool itself.

Thanks for your help!
 
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