Helper stole a gun, need advice

What is my correct moral action?

  • Discuss it and give her a chance to return it

    Votes: 71 31.8%
  • Go to the police immediately

    Votes: 151 67.7%
  • Get her university and parents involved

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Pretend you are not on to her, and try to teach some moral compass.

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    223
  • Poll closed .
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This is just me but...

Innocent or guilty? Evidence? I don't care. That isn't my problem.

She'd still get a visit from the police.

If one of my guns goes missing ... and firearms aren't like car keys or TV remotes to me ... and there is a possibility that a certain someone took it, then that person would never be tolerated in my presence again except in court. End of story.

Better safe than sorry...
 
Are you sure it was her? If so, are you going to ask her where your gun is?
And if you're sure it was her, how can anything ever be the same, and why have her back for more training or anything else?
That's it in a nutshell. Once the trust is broken, it seldom returns.
 
Finally got some rest,

and spoke with her in person.
She told me she is as I am, an honest person.
I believe her.

The firearm remains listed until it is recovered.

That might make me an old fool, but a lot has come out of this thread for me:

First and above all, our values in this society for material is over valued at the expense of love for one another. Any emotional harm that may have come to her
by being questioned by the police sits squarely on my shoulders.

I might be getting old enough that dementia is sneaking in. It is time to admit that I need to trade my savings into one of my life's greatest joys: travel. Some firearms are due to go up for sale because travel will be hindered by material wealth.

Most certainly, I must pray to never be the cause for grief and distress to innocent
people. This lesson has redoubled a few times in my life, and a spiritual observance must always be foremost.
 
and spoke with her in person.
She told me she is as I am, an honest person.
I believe her.

Good on you and good luck to you.

About 15 years ago an expensive ring belonging to my wife disappeared. We quietly blamed the carpet cleaners for years but made no police report. Then the tornado tore up the place. The ring was found behind the entertainment center by the carpet layers.
 
Because firearms are things capable of taking a life, always remove a few key parts if you will be leaving the house. I dont have a safe for my ar but what I do is take the BCG out, store the upper in a rifle bag and place it in an "out of the way" location and then I do the same to my lower minus the rifle bag, and its always in a diff room. I doubt you have time to do this with ur guns so just pull out a few pieces.
 
klover another .02, then I'll shut up. I'm sure you spoke with her in a calm and respectful manner. She assured you she is honest and you accepted that. During theft investigations that I did, or was present to assist, the vast majority of people who were later found to be the thief, burglar,etc, assured me/us that they would never do such a thing. I do not consider you an old fool, and mean no disrespect in my comments. I guess I am just a bit less trusting than you, probably due to the career path I chose. Whether lost or stolen, I hope your gun is recovered...
 
So, in your first post you thought she was a thief.
If she was a thief, she would never lie to you?

I think you are giving her way too much "benefit of the doubt".
Your first impression is more often the correct one.
Go back and re-read your first post.
 
A firearm is not something you just "accept as a loss." That's a weapon that could easily be out on the streets and soon finding itself connected to the murder of an innocent person.

I don't know all the evidence that this girl stole it, or even if there IS evidence beyond circumstantial stuff. But this is something that really needs to be thoroughly investigated, not brushed aside.

It also gives the prohibitionists fodder for their claims that guns used in crime are supplied by irresponsible gun owners. A casual attitude towards loss of a firearm is destructive to our position.
 
This. Our OP sounds like a very sweet man. I would love to have you as a neighbor, my friend. Unfortunately, your comments suggest a trusting and naive demeanor that lends oneself to being played. I think she is playing you, good buddy. This is no longer about how you feel toward her, it's about securing that weapon. You have no way to know how she is storing/using/selling/gifting that weapon. That places others at risk, and you will be at least partially liable.

I'd prefer a more responsible carmudgeon for a neighbor.
 
and spoke with her in person.
She told me she is as I am, an honest person.
I believe her.

The firearm remains listed until it is recovered.

That might make me an old fool, but a lot has come out of this thread for me:

First and above all, our values in this society for material is over valued at the expense of love for one another. Any emotional harm that may have come to her
by being questioned by the police sits squarely on my shoulders.

I might be getting old enough that dementia is sneaking in. It is time to admit that I need to trade my savings into one of my life's greatest joys: travel. Some firearms are due to go up for sale because travel will be hindered by material wealth.

Most certainly, I must pray to never be the cause for grief and distress to innocent
people. This lesson has redoubled a few times in my life, and a spiritual observance must always be foremost.

Holy crap. :banghead:

How about this, what if she was to use it to kill herself?
 
OP said his firearms are normally secured and away from visitors.
IIRC He said he last saw where the gun was, and then it was gone.

Where did it go if it wasn't her?

I've never lost a gun, or had one walk away. If any of mine walked away I'd be much more upset than the OP appears.
I hate losing things. I've lost a few wallets, and it's the worst thing in the world to me. A gun would be damn close if not about the same.
I wouldn't be able to sleep until I knew where it was.
 
I didn't read through this whole thread, but if I discovered one of my guns was missing, I have a legal obligation to report it. The law says that loss or theft of a firearm must be reported within 24 hours. The penalty is small, but I'd hate to have any firearms violations on my record so you could be sure I'd report it. How would you feel if the police knocked on your door during the course of the murder investigation with your gun being the murder weapon?
 
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Let me get this straight:

u were sure she stole the gun but now that you commendably and bravely ('cause she's a liar, thief, and illegaly armed with a gun traceable to someone else...) gave her a chance to return it and she denied taking it you are STILL not going to report this to the police?

OMG. I was on your side. But NOW you report it!
 
You're hiding from your responsibilities. You're hiding behind being tired. You're hiding behind being old. You're hiding behind needing to travel :)confused:). You're hiding from what you SHOULD do.

You spoke to her and she told you she's an honest person? Great. Now you have some comfortable words with which to anesthetize yourself so you can keep hiding from your responsibility.

Any emotional harm that may have come to her by being questioned by the police sits squarely on my shoulders.
You think this sharp little cookie will be emotionally harmed by TALKING to the police? THAT sits on your shoulders?

If you're such a softie, how are your stooped old shoulders not CRUSHED contemplating her drug dealer killing some kid with your revolver? That's a lot of blood and sorrow to hang in the balance against a little emotional distress from TALKING to a police officer.
 
Well, he was 100% sure she was the only one who had access to it. He talked to her and she said she is honest, like him. She knows a mark when she sees one. She is a pro and he is infatuated with her. She is playing him like a guitar. I figure she'll have her friends rob the place somewhere down the road. I think the OP has feelings for her and she knows it and is taking advantage of it and will do so until he shuts her down. She's a pro.
 
All these responses.

OP says lady steals gun. Op solicits opinions from the interwebz. OP gets 4 pages of responses. OP announces he asked her she said she didn't do it.

But of course, no criminal ever said he/she was innocent.

I would say what I'm thinking but somebody would say, (in the voice of Gomer Pyle's "citizen's arrest" scene), "that's not high road. That's not high road."
 
If your state law requires you to report it within 24 hours, it's within 24 hours of when you discovered it missing. It may well be more than 24 hours since it was stolen but you may not know when it was stolen.
 
Well where I am there is no state law requiring reporting of a lost or stolen firearm. That is why I asked, to be sure there is no federal requirement, and from what I can tell unless one is an FFL there isn't.
I've about given up looking for it, a S&W 637, I can't remember the last time I shot it, but discovered it missing recently when I was updating my database of serial numbers of my firearms.
But I sometimes excel at misplacing things, so I've been thinking I just stuck it somewhere and forgot where...
I really doubt it was stolen, I'm thinking I somehow left it at the range, or simply misplaced it, don't know. Heck I recently "lost" an entire circular saw, gave up looking for it, bought a new one, and 6 months later found the missing one:rolleyes:
 
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I have followed this thread since it's inception and found myself concerned from the very get go. Allow me to elaborate. First off, you made clear that you didn't have your firearm secure, and you don't keep accountability of it constantly as it is visible with someone in your house. You also state that you failed to immediately inventory the rest of your firearms upon discovery of a firearm you suspected to be stolen. For an undetermined period of time you didn't even know whether you only had one firearm missing or multiple. You post to a host of other firearm owners that you have no idea what you do or don't have in your possession and you had not taken the time to ensure you know what you are in possession of. You already knew the course of action that you should be taking, yet you continually advocate for your suspect while not knowing what your suspect may have taken in total.

You sir, are grossly negligent in your responsibilities as a firearm owner. You are the poster child of the example antis love to use in their effort for gun control. As Sam1911 stated, you are hiding from your responsibilities. You seem to have a high sense of moral responsibility in the sensitivities of your suspect. Where is your moral responsibilities in the lives of those who may be affected by your complacency. I can tell you right now that if one of my family members were harmed by your firearm that you have flippantly dismissed as just "missing", I would own you; your "travel' money, mine; your savings, hard work accumulated, mine. I would raise such a public stink that I can guarantee you would be facing criminal negligence charges at the least.

Your concern for the feelings and emotional distress of someone you were sure had stolen a firearm from you, had been welcomed into your household, your domain, your safe haven, and all you can say at the end of it is: she said she's honest like me and so I'll leave it at that with just a missing firearm report and no investigation because emotional distress on her part would be my responsibility and burden. You post a poll, asking what should you do. If you don't know or you haven't decided on a course of action immediately upon discovery and evaluation of your situation, then you should not be in possession of firearms.

Your complacent, flippant "oh well" attitude about a firearm more than likely stolen due to your negligence in securing and accountability disgusts me to the point of being irate. While this may be dismissed and deleted as not 'high road" this needs to be said. Your actions while maybe not criminal in your state, are definitely not responsible, sensible, nor moral. I will use you as an example of what not to do in the responsibilities of being a gun owner. While I hope that you recover your firearm one way or another, recovery will not be due in part because of your responsible choices nor your moral obligation.

Now, allow me to explain as to exactly why your actions, or lack thereof, bothers me so greatly. I was in Iraq conducting a raid. My section sergeant(SSG type), was shot with an M-16 with ACOG, by an egytpian Al-Qeada cell leader in his femoral artery, the round also severing his urethra and shattering his hip around the entry wound. the recovery took the better part of three years. Not a week later, while getting to visit the FOB, I'm on a bus going to get a much needed haircut, and also on this bus is a Marine Major and another officer. I get to overhear just how funny and silly that another officer had lost an M9 and M-16, and he was in no trouble, and they LAUGHED about it! I had just watched an outstanding leader get shot with an American firearm that belonged to the Marines, and now I get to listen to a pair of Marines laugh about losing more firearms. Needless to say, I nearly lost a lot of rank over that. Hopefully this illustrates just how disgusting flippant attitudes about "losing" firearms really is.
 
I think the OP might think that he has a chance for a "relationship" with this female. I think maybe he should quit thinking that:)
 
Reporting a stolen/missing gun is one thing; I would think twice before accusing someone of larceny without evidence.

That's the key right there. Take the onus off of your own suspicions. Let the LEO's do their job. If she is implicated then it will be entirely her fault. You aren't the one putting a felony on her record. She is. That is IF she is found to be guilty of stealing the gun.

Again we aren't talking about your grandmother's necklace here. We're talking about a killing machine. If that gun can be traced to you then you might get in terrible trouble without a report that it was stolen. Protect yourself. Don't accuse anyone. Just report the loss. I'm guessing the LEO's won't even investigate but they will give you credible evidence that the gun was stolen. And that could save you a mountain of trouble. Let them do their job. You do yours. Report the loss before the negative effects become far worse. Don't think it's impossible to trace a gun. Sometimes it isn't. It depends on where you got it of course and where it's been. But if they do trace a gun used in a crime to you expect to pay huge legal fees to a lawyer if you haven't reported the loss.

Dealing with the criminal is the job of the LEO. Your job is to report the loss. It could lead to a crime being solved. If that gun is used to kill someone and left at the crime scene maybe your report will be responsible for nailing the criminal that did the killing.

It's just too important to be ignored. You won't be bringing trouble on that girl. If anyone does it will be the cops. They will question you and you will tell the truth. From there it's out of your hands. And just to be honest this stuff of not causing anyone grief is a pie in the sky theory. You may cause far more grief by not reporting the crime.
 
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