Here it comes....again.

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Well you go a few years without a major storm, then the neighbors have one, then the weather folks start pointing and screaming "Here it comes" and the state and local government begin running in circles screamy "TEOTWAWKI! and its all their fault!" While pointing at one another.

We are DAYS out IF this lady comes calling in North Central Florida and folks are already getting squirrelly.

One of my regular gas stations is out of gas this AM (see, there is a reason to never get below a quarter tank) and my other had a ten minute wait to get gas. I got some nasty looks putting 19 gallons in my big old pick up truck 25 gallon tank and then filling three five gallon "Jerry cans" to toss in the back. The little town south of us has no gas in any of its five stations as of this morning.

There were about three times as many grumpy folks in the grocery per capita as a normal day and a lot of folks that would not look directly at you but did look when they thought you were not looking. There was no "Store bought bread" oddly folks had hardly noticed the in store bakery as they were fixated on the missing Wonder Bread and Roman Meal and Sunbeam or whatever. I pointed out to a couple of ladies standing there in like shock at the empty shelves that the loaves and buns in my cart had come from the bakery and they took off as though possessed by the spirit of Jesse Ownes.

There were reports from "in town" (Gainesville and yes the folks in the small towns surrounding "The Swamp" get angry when you imply their city does not count by saying "in Town " when you mean Gainesville) that there was no bottled water available. My store had pallet loads of water bottles blocking the major ailses and folks were filling carts with it.......guess they did not know they might need to drink before this morning and don't have a generator and well or good filter system.

So what has this to do with "Handguns General?" (Gawd, this -kBob fellow babbles!)

Well it put me to thinking about carry options during the build up for emergencies. In Florida we Concealed Carry. As a good citizen and CCL holder I feel it is even more important to be sure I do not show while amongst the panicing "sheeple". No point getting an already startled House wife or retired school teacher that is not a CCL holder even more adgitated so they run over someone in the parking lot while looking for gun toaters.

Now I know many states are open carry, but often in large cities you just don't see much of it.

Do other folks agree with me that it is our duty as CCL holders to take special precautions to not start stampedes as it where when the herd is all white eyed and surging already and make doubly sure our Concealed Weapons are in fact concealed while we are stooped over for that bottom shelf or stretching up for that top shelf or lifting that heavy gas can over the tailgate?

-kBob
 
Since I have family in that part of the country, I'm very sympathetic to the situation you are facing there. Situationally, I would suggest that whether or not there is an impending natural disaster it is always wisest to take special pains to ensure that a weapon that must be concealed remain concealed. There are always going to be "excitable types" regardless of the situation, however in a state where concealed carry, or even open carry, is commonly experienced by the population, I don't think that it really matters all that much.
 
That is very true 481. I lived in New Port Richey for 15 years and left my house to my daughter 3 years ago.
I trained my daughters constantly for their safety and protection. They have a CCW and carry all the time. Now I am up here in the northeast with them down there and I feel that they can take care of themselves and their family's.
Being prepared for these types of situations were drilled into them, food, water and gasoline for the generator or traveling on hand at all times.
 
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There's plenty of gas in Sarasota as of this morning.....no bottled water, but plenty of juice and Gatorade. The national news, as usual, is making it sound like we are already in full Mad Max mode, just like they portray every Midwest twister and snowstorm as the end of civilization.
"If you knew someone north of the Mason Dixon line, THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD!" lol
Most of the traffic clogging up the Interstates are carpetbaggers or recent transplants freaking out....I'm staying put, if God wants to bring me home with a hurricane, well that's fine.
 
Wow....

I wouldn't even begin to worry about it. Starting a stampede? Really?

Ease your mind, go on about your business. No need to change your habits or get extra paranoid about accidentally flashing a weapon, just because there's some weather coming.

Remember, 90% of people don't even notice if you're completely open carrying, so thinking some house wife is going to flip her wig because your shirt tail rode up is a little extreme.

Don't let storm fever give YOU more things to worry about than you already have...
 
Now how do you carry long guns in this situation and NOT be misidentified as a looter?

Or...WHY would you carry long guns in this situation and risk being misidentified as a looter?

Though, the folks I've seen in post-storm situations who had long guns with them were all neighborhood "defenders" rather than looters. So maybe not wondering around somebody else's neighborhood with your gun is a safer bet.
 
Armoredman writes:

Now how do you carry long guns in this situation and NOT be misidentified as a looter?

The same way we always have. This is Florida, which is not an open-carry state. Long guns are carried in vehicles, not on our backs.
 
KBob, I'm with you. I'm in the next state north, and - even though Georgia is open carry with permit/license - I discretely carry concealed except at the range. There's no need to agitate those who don't know our laws (= most folks), and - as a friend once commented- open carry can be a big sign for the bad guys that says "Shoot me first!"

Y'all take precautions and I'm praying for you and the eastern coastline as Irma heads our way. Seeing what Harvey did in Houston has people very sensitive right now.
 
Do other folks agree with me that it is our duty as CCL holders to take special precautions to not start stampedes as it where when the herd is all white eyed and surging already and make doubly sure our Concealed Weapons are in fact concealed while we are stooped over for that bottom shelf or stretching up for that top shelf or lifting that heavy gas can over the tailgate?

-kBob
No Sir, I do not agree. It is not my responsibility to further coddle the over-protected generation out there. If you normally open carry I see no reason to change that just to protect the feelings of those who roll up in the fetal position for any reason.

I personally do not open carry where I live because it's very rare anyone does and I'm too old now to fight the good fight. If I normally did I would not change that.

As for water, why not dig into the recycle can and use all the empty jugs. Wash them out and fill them in the kitchen sink. While you're at it fill the bath tub too.

Stop worrying about the people who are scared of their own shadow when only exercising one of your God give rights enumerated in the Constitution.
 
Well, first off, you should be somewhat prepared for anything, any time, disaster-wise. Some
weather extremes give you zero warning, as well as some other events, like earthquakes.

Second, you should be avoiding mixing with the sheeple, as they blindly panic and stumble about
looking for things like food and water, which they should have had in advance. We used to see
the same thing, the first heavy snow up north. Folks buying three carts of food, like snow is an
appetite accelerant, or they don't ever get hungry till it snows.

Third, act casual in all situations. It's a rule of basics. It's Florida, if somebody acts stupid, because
they saw a gun, around here, they are probably going to be treated like they're stupid. Most of them
already know this.
 
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If you are concealed I don't think anyone would notice anyways. Even if you printed like crazy most wouldn't notice. Of course, not letting people who might try to rob you would be important ... concealed sounds good.

If supplies were scarce I would probably open carry my shotgun at home with 3in magnums chambered. It's my property, may as well avoid trouble.
 
Interesting responses so far.

Just so you won't think me part of the crowd......I co wrote one of the (used for five years) Emergency management manuals (350 pages) for a major University in (OK of) Florida, chaired my church's Stake (four county area) plan for dealing with coastal evacuees, my wife is my church ward's (individual congregation) preparedness director and I am likely better prepared food, water and medical than 99 percent of Floridians. I am also a trained First Responder and former CERT team member and assistant instructor and a Boys Scout Master......but thanks for being concerned enough to tell me I should "Be Prepared" ;-)

I stopped at different Publix Grocery store this AM for donuts and choco-milk and found the bread and cereal rows still well picked over and no where near as much water available. Though unusual for my 7AM weekly treats for breakfast stop there were lines at check out and every one else had canned meat and bottled water. I teased one lady that had a cart full of storm stuff by commenting she might want to add toilet paper and she looked startled then left the line and her cart long enough to dash over to the paper section and grab a 16 pack of TP and then smile at me and add "Thanks!" I pointed out to another, yet again, that the in store bakery had plenty of bread and pointed out that Kaiser rolls last a bit longer than sliced loafs.

About the only thing I am concerned about is my Generator as it seems to be producing more than 120 volts (blows 60 watt bulbs I used for test load) Soon as I find my multi meter I plan to adjust the idle speed on the gasoline engine to see if that brings it down to between the 110 and 120 lines. Not that we could not live without the freezer and 'fridge, just have a lot invested in frozen goods.

My intent with this thread was mainly to make other's think about CCL in stressful times for their communities. Remember, the uninformed housewives (or university professors, or both) you frighten may have nothing better to do with his or her time than support anti 2Amd Right causes and harass legislators. Remember avoiding being locked in the hoosegow awaiting someone else to decide whether you were right or not while a storm rages is a good thing.

I hope every one stays safe and dry.

-kBob
 
In my mind, the flip side of open carry, or accidental reveal carry, is being targeted for a weapon someone else needs. Like large amounts of cash, you can't steal what you can't see. I think the post storm mentality is going to be more volatile than pre -storm.
Tweekers, junkies and homeless are going to be in a hurt locker after the supply of food and pharmaceuticals quits. Best to bunk in during the aftermath. Think zombie apocalypse.
 
Most folks, who never notice concealed carry, anyways, are going to be busy, with their attention
diverted more than ever, as they attempt to fill their list of stuff they should have had, in the first place.
I doubt "spot concealed carry guns" is going to be on that list of theirs.
 
If Florida has no open carry laws, then it is your duty to conceal your gun effectively. The current situation has no bearing on anything. If you are worried someone might see your gun, then you aren't adequately concealing it anyway.

Where I live, you can open carry. I choose to conceal, but if the bottom of my holster sticks out and I'm made, I don't care at all, because I'm doing nothing illegal. If it caused a panic because a potential natural disaster was going to occur, that's on the fools panicking.

Honestly, if I lived in a place with a local population that panicked at the sight of a gun, I would look for employment in a different place. Too much ignorance for my liking. Not to mention, stupid people drive for crap. That alone would be enough motivation for me.
 
[Guys, let's keep this on topic. The question is something having to do with folks who are panicking over a coming storm panicking even more because they see your carry gun.]
 
Me being in the gunshine state as well, I believe that CC is the way to go. No reason to draw attention to yourself, and its always good tactics to leave potential adversaries at the disadvantage of not knowing who is armed.
 
We in Western MD are rarely affected by hurricanes or other extreme weather, but I always keep 3 five gallon cans of gas on hand; not enough to last out a war but enough for cover a temporary shortage. If I lived in FL or another state likely to be hit by a storm, I wouldn't wait until trouble was on the way to set aside a reserve of gas, food, and other emergency supplies. Why wait until the panic starts then cuss the other guy for "taking" stuff you think should be yours?

Jim
 
When I typed my response (post 9), I had a line on the end that I deleted before submitting the post. It was about hoping this wasn't just another OC-vs-CC prudence thread, or wouldn't become one..
 
Perhaps some of the covert carry systems would work if one HAD to carry a long gun of some kind, especially if evacuating. If you're reduced to the Shoe Leather Express on the side of the road, and you really didn't want to leave your AR behind, a pack like that might actually be quite useful, so as not to incite panic in the easily disturbed.
 
The Way back, OK early 80's, prep discussions seemed to always wind there way to the attempt to survive Nuclear Badness. My Sci FI club met in our living room to watch "The Day After" or some such end of the world as we know it film in its original broadcast and then sat around trying to keep the "We are all dead" crowd and the "Hurrah! We are back to a time of men who are manly and in charge!" crowds both at bay while most of us dis cussed what might actually help.

Of course most of the big name prep people of the time were all about retreats and the necessary bug outs to get to them. So the topic of "how to get to Granma's house out in the country naturally came up. One of our folks was a big time bicyclist and so someone suggested he have a full bore go pack and kit made up to fit his bike. You know back pack over the handle bars, saddle bags over the rear tire, and a frame mounted flat pack, plus a light pack and pouch on his person with all one might need to live through TEOTWAWKI in biking comfort. Our bikist friend commented that while he was pedaling along the shoulder that Bubba and Carl were likely to see him and think it was a neat set up and open the passenger door of the pick up at an opertune moment, take the time to kick his prone body in the head so he would lay still long enough to strip his day pack and pouch off him and walk his bike off into the woods.

So any how we were discussing the "Don't draw attention to yourself" 30 some years back.

Today the public schools were closed by order of the Governor, but not my sons little private school. Turns out son's school's lesson for to day was not a WWI history event but a storm prep exercise and for but half a day. WHen I left this morning kids were rounding up sports equipment that was outside, moving gardening pots, taping door cracks, placing storm shutters. Eh, I guess the schoo got "free" labor for the morning to get itself ready.

Anyhow at 7:40 this AM I went back over to US 41/27 the old two lane fed highway up the westish side of Florida (98 over on the actual coast is four lane or more now) and traffic was such that I had a hard time making a right turn onto what is usually a lazy country road. Lots of cars with too many folks and too much baggage heading north this AM.

Saw my first car out of gas in the road waiting for gas pumps this AM. About ten cars bocking the outside pane of a four lane waiting to turn into a crowded gas station and the guy at the ramp into the lot ran out of gas. Idiots were blowing their horns rather than getting out to help push. Eventually a few folks jumped out to help push the empty car into the station lot, but my daughter was amazed at the number of folks content to just lay on the horns and make rude gestures. The station on our side was out of gas. More than half the stations we saw were out of gas between 7:40 and 9:00AM this morning.

Oddly few people were stopping for breakfast this AM when we stopped to do so. Unlike the interstates, the little two lanes and four lanes often lack a lot of drive throughs. Spoke to a woman from North Miami that left home at 11PM Wednesday to arrive in Gainesville at 2PM yesterday (Tuesday) so 15 hours for a normal less than six hour drive up the interstates.

Personally I am still doing my normal pocket carry and not worried. Talked to a few folks this morning around 8:30 at a Publix only a couple of blocks off I 75 Mostly locals actually in the store though a family making a bee line to the rest rooms at one point. Still many open slots in the grocery store, but some filled over night.

May wander out in the evening in search of Ice....just because.

Headed out to place the storm shutters over the windows facing trees. See you guys later.

They claim that upon arrival the storm here will be only a Cat 1 hurricain. Great Dave Barry article this AM if you can google it.

-kBob
 
My intent with this thread was mainly to make other's think about CCL in stressful times for their communities. Remember, the uninformed housewives (or university professors, or both) you frighten may have nothing better to do with his or her time than support anti 2Amd Right causes and harass legislators.

Got it, but quite frankly, those prone to an anti-2A mindset are likely to be that way regardless of the kind of weather, including natural calamities, that dominates their locale.
 
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