Here We Go Again 1994 Redux

[CapnMac]

I will almost guarantee you that if they pass an assault weapons ban this time it won't have a sunset clause. It won't have a grandfather clause and I will just about bet you that they write the law so the workarounds to the '94 Ban like the thumb hole stock won't work this time

Having watched that one very closely at the time. It was the political opposition that forced the sunset clause in. There were a number of "silent" amendments, too, where errors like demanding "date stamps and/or s/n" were deliberately ignored. As was the entire flaw of using "appearance" as the guide. Many of the actions were meant to "poison pill" the Bill, and it only just barely squeaked by as was.

There's something north of 20 million AR alone in the US, so a ban or a limit on new production will wind up being very hard to enforce. Preventing people from building them form the tens of millions of parts available will be difficult, too. And a newly-built copy would be indistinguishable from a pre-existing one.

They are making "the big ask" and hoping "we" will "give in" and allow them some "win."

What "our" side needs is some counter-veiling action. Like repealing NFA. Or requiring Shall Issue nation-wide. Or invalidating the use of FOIDs.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Having watched that one very closely at the time. It was the political opposition that forced the sunset clause in. There were a number of "silent" amendments, too, where errors like demanding "date stamps and/or s/n" were deliberately ignored. As was the entire flaw of using "appearance" as the guide. Many of the actions were meant to "poison pill" the Bill, and it only just barely squeaked by as was.

There's something north of 20 million AR alone in the US, so a ban or a limit on new production will wind up being very hard to enforce. Preventing people from building them form the tens of millions of parts available will be difficult, too. And a newly-built copy would be indistinguishable from a pre-existing one.

They are making "the big ask" and hoping "we" will "give in" and allow them some "win."

What "our" side needs is some counter-veiling action. Like repealing NFA. Or requiring Shall Issue nation-wide. Or invalidating the use of FOIDs.

How about they get nothing they already have over 22,000 infringements.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

What "our" side needs is some counter-veiling action. Like repealing NFA. Or requiring Shall Issue nation-wide. Or invalidating the use of FOIDs.

All of the above. PLUS repeal the gun free school zones act AND some sort of law that prevents school administration from prohibiting CCW by teachers.

"Compromise" means both sides give up something they don't want to give up, and neither side gets everything they wanted. Both sides walk away with an imperfect deal. If we just give up our rights, with nothing in return, that's not compromise, that's not "reasonable," "sensible," or "common sense;" that's just capitulation.

 

[Poper]

If we just give up our rights, with nothing in return, that's not compromise, that's not "reasonable," "sensible," or "common sense;" that's just capitulation.

And that is exactly the way all our the Second Amendment infringements have come about by way of "Gun Control". They give up nothing, we give up everything.

 

[Poper]

Personally I think a good old fashion (good drink as well) letter is the best way. You spend the time to actually wright a letter, penmanship is a lost art, in hand and mail it to your reps. I think this goes farther then a call or email.

But it will take at least 2 weeks for it to get to him and maybe (like one of my letters did) take 3 months to get to him.
Why so long do you ask? Because of all the crap that has been sent to the Rep's and Senators through the US Mail, the screening of it all takes weeks. I wrote a hand written letter to my representative in regards to the US Forest Service's pathetic response to the fires in the Pacific Northwest during the terrible fires on the Oregon coast back in 2020. By the time his office contacted me about my letter, the fires were under control and the reason given was the slow delivery of US Mail because of security procedures.

You are better off using email if you want it to be read in a timely manner. Technology, you know, and all that stuff.

 

[Mk-211]

Expect to see no ammo or firearms on the shelf for the next 10 years!

 

[Poper]

Expect to see no ammo or firearms on the shelf for the next 10 years!

And just when things were beginning to trend back to "normal", too.

 

[kwguy]

So much deja vu.

“That won’t happen…”

“The courts will save us…”

“It’s unconstitutional…”

“It can’t happen…”

Until it does. It’s happened before.

 

[AlexanderA]

If there's any kind of AWB (which I don't think will happen), it may well come via some sort of tinkering with the NFA. (There is, in fact, a bill pending before Congress that would add bump stocks as an NFA category akin to machine guns, but would grandfather existing ones by allowing them to be registered.) I see an opening here that could see the end of the Hughes Amendment.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I see an opening here that could see the end of the Hughes Amendment.

They're not that stupid.

 

[Walkalong]

Expect to see no ammo or firearms on the shelf for the next 10 years!

Well OK there Chicken Little.......methinks you get carried away.

 

[Pat Riot]

Got nothing good to say so I will just post what passes for a featureless non-assault weapon in California.

My AR:


No flash hider
No pistol grip
No bayonet lug
No “bullet button”
Working magazine release
10 round mag inserted
Shoots and operated like any other AR

 

[jdc1244]

1994 Redux

Disagree.

There’s no political will in Congress for a new AWB.

The politics of guns doesn’t transfer to votes – for or against.

 

[Old Dog]

Disagree.

There’s no political will in Congress for a new AWB.

The politics of guns doesn’t transfer to votes – for or against.

Those of us who were mature gun owners in 1994 might disagree.

The word is "hubris."

 

[Insignificant bill]

All of the above. PLUS repeal the gun free school zones act AND some sort of law that prevents school administration from prohibiting CCW by teachers.

"Compromise" means both sides give up something they don't want to give up, and neither side gets everything they wanted. Both sides walk away with an imperfect deal. If we just give up our rights, with nothing in return, that's not compromise, that's not "reasonable," "sensible," or "common sense;" that's just capitulation.

Why should we give in on anything. They already got plenty and none of it solves the criminal and mental illness problem. The founding fathers made it clear no infringements because they knew this is what would happen. The NFA needs to be abolished and we need to learn how to vote.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Got nothing good to say so I will just post what passes for a featureless non-assault weapon in California.

My AR:
View attachment 1081973

No flash hider
No pistol grip
No bayonet lug
No “bullet button”
Working magazine release
10 round mag inserted
Shoots and operated like any other AR

That just shows what imbeciles they are

 

[jmorris]

They better hurry, clocks ticking. They are done in November, either way; until next time, as they say.

 

[kwguy]

They better hurry, clocks ticking. They are done in November, either way; until next time, as they say.

Only problem is, between now and then, they can cause all kinds of havoc. After that, even if they are voted out, they’ll never repeal that legislation, and courts will take years.

 

[Mk-211]

Walkalong,
Yeah, just a joke on the whole situation.

The panickers will kick in soon enough and if things weren't bad enough... the hospital shooting today won't help things.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Those of us who were mature gun owners in 1994 might disagree.

The word is "hubris."

Agreed. Although they haven't, to my knowledge, put forward a '94 style ban, everything else on their list is there. I think it would be a fatal error on our part to underestimate the odds of any of this passing.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Why should we give in on anything. They already got plenty and none of it solves the criminal and mental illness problem. The founding fathers made it clear no infringements because they knew this is what would happen. The NFA needs to be abolished and we need to learn how to vote.

Oh, I totally agree, but, I expect politicians in Congress, who have long run on pro-2A positions, are about to sell us up the river. If that happens, we should at least get something in return.

And it needs to be like for like in terms of significance. If people like Dan Crenshaw, Trump, and the NRA are going to stick us with something like Red Flag laws, then we need something equally significant, such repeal of the Gun Free Zones Act (or the GCA or the NFA - we all have different priorities.)

But, certainly, my preference is for a restoration of the Constitution and not just in regards to the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Pat Riot]

That just shows what imbeciles they are

Yes it does. But it also shows Americans can be resilient and innovative and find their way around such stupidity. So, there is a dark side to every silver lining.

Please don’t think I like this work around. It’s what I did to keep a detachable mag set up on my AR.

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

It's Unconstitutional whether it gets passed or not. Why are we going to put up with it? What good is the 2nd amendment if we just give in.

It's a big gamble depending on the SCOTUS to declare this unconstitutional if it becomes law.

After this year's pending drama at the court who knows if the judges want to go through that again

 

[AlexanderA]

They're not that stupid.

Really? One of the components of the House Democrats' 8-point gun control plan, announced this week, is the revival of the "Closing the Bump-Stock Loophole Act" originally introduced in 2017.
Read the text:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4168/text
If passed, this would have the effect of reversing Trump's bump stock ban, at least to the extent that bump stocks could be registered under the NFA.
If given free rein, they could easily pass such a thing and blow the NFA wide open. It's a given that the antigun legislators are supremely ignorant of anything having to do with guns and actual (existing) gun regulations.

 

[starnbar]

Yeah but you are talking about a rifle stock not a part of the firing mechanism