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Here's a Senate seat the Repubs are going to lose

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  1. rick_reno

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    Retiring Republican Peter Fitzgerald, Illinois is (was) replaced by Jack Ryan - who resigned after his wife said he pressured her to have sex in front of other people at clubs. Ryan is clearly a family values sort of guy. Ted Kennedy should have given this clown driving lessons.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5316119/

    CHICAGO - Illinois Republicans say they can still win the U.S. Senate race in four months even though their candidate resigned amid lurid sex allegations. Political analysts say that would take a miracle.

    Republicans began searching for possible replacements soon after Jack Ryan stepped down Friday. In old divorce documents, his former wife, television actress Jeri Lynn Ryan, said he pressured her to have sex in front of other people at clubs.

    Party leaders insist all they need is the right candidate and the right amount of cash.

    “There needs to be enough money to get the message out,†said state Sen. Dave Syverson, treasurer of the Illinois GOP.

    But Kent Redfield, a political science professor at the University of Illinois in Springfield, said the GOP’s efforts to win the seat being vacated by retiring Republican Sen. Peter Fitzgerald was “an almost impossible task.â€

    Democratic state Sen. Barack Obama held a wide lead over Ryan before the scandal broke, and many popular Republicans have kept their names off the list of potential candidates.

    Kick-starting the campaign of a lesser-known Republican would cost several million dollars, Redfield said. He added that donors are likely to flinch at the prospect of contributing to what many regard as a doomed campaign.

    “If it looks unwinnable, it is very difficult to raise money,†he said. “You can’t win because you can’t raise money, and you can’t raise money because you can’t win.â€

    Ryan’s problems started in February, when his opponents in the primary called on him to release sealed records from a custody dispute with his ex-wife, who has had starring roles in “Star Trek: Voyager†and “Boston Public.â€

    Ryan refused, saying the records would harm his young son if released, and repeatedly assured GOP officials and the public that the files contained nothing embarrassing.

    Judge opened records
    But after Ryan won the Republican nomination, a judge agreed to open the records, revealing Jeri Ryan’s accusations — which Ryan denies.

    Four days after the files were opened, Ryan withdrew from the race.

    The new Republican candidate should meet certain requirements to win, said Charles Wheeler, head of the Public Affairs Reporting program at the University of Illinois.

    “It has to be a candidate who has no skeletons in the closet, who is articulate and who can raise money,†he said. “It would help if they found someone who is a gazillionaire.â€

    Republicans said they would begin interviewing possible candidates in the coming days and hope to name one by mid-July.

    Redfield said the best Republicans can hope for is to prevent a bad situation from getting worse — and to ensure the U.S. Senate candidate doesn’t hurt other Republicans in tight races for state offices.

    “They wanted to put a new face on the Republican Party and that was supposed to be Jack Ryan,†said Redfield. “Now, they just want to look credible and stop the bleeding.â€

    Those who have declined to run include former Gov. Jim Edgar, Illinois Republican Party chairwoman and state treasurer Judy Baar Topinka, and former Gov. James Thompson.

    One leading possible replacement is state Sen. Steve Rauschenberger, who finished third in the Republican primary. Also on the list are dairy owner Jim Oberweis, businessman Andy McKenna and former chairman of the State Board of Education Ron Gidwitz.
     
  2. Harry Tuttle

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    In Hollywood divorces, lots of dirt gets thrown by professional mudslingers
    "Seven of Nine" can afford really good representation
    Jeri Ryan:
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  3. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Yes, the Republicans will likely lose this one and the Democratic candidate is a gun grabber for sure. Of course, the retiring Republican Senator was one as well, so on the March AWB tally, nothing would have changed.

    We still have an excellent opportunity to pick up pro-gun seats in:

    Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Louisiana, and South Dakota

    We stand a decent chance of winning ALL of those seats and a real good chance of winning the majority if gun owners turn out and vote their guns in the primary and general elections.
     
  4. Zundfolge

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    Big difference between Ryan and Kennedy (and Clinton, etc) is that he asked his wife to engage in certain sexual activity that she didn't want to do ... she refused and that was that.

    Kennedy, Clinton, etc have sex with women other then their wives and not always with the consent of the woman.

    BIG difference.
     
  5. Brett Bellmore

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    Point of order: His ex-wife alleges that he asked her this; People invent nasty dirt all the time in divorce cases. Barring other evidence, it's just allegations.
     
  6. rick_reno

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    You've obviously got sources for this activity - please post them. Play fair - and don't cite allegations.
     
  7. Rebar

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    The divorce case was sealed, by request of BOTH parties. It was Democratic muckraking and a liberal judge who unsealed it. His ex-wife is just as upset over it as he is.
     
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    The Interesting thing about the Illinois case is this.

    Could set an ugly precedent.
     
  9. rick_reno

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    I believe ugly is in the eye of the beholder. I think this would be beautiful - dump whatever that POS has in his divorce case out just before their convention. Couldn't be better...
     
  10. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Actually to be fair, the Dems were at best only peripheally involved in this. The request to unseal the divorce documents came from the Chicago Tribune and several of the Republican challengers that Ryan faced in the primaries.
     
  11. Don Gwinn

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    1. Yes, these are allegations only. Also, as some have noted, they are allegations made by a divorce attorney. In other words, zero credibility except for the fact that people assume he wouldn't have hidden them if they weren't true.

    2. The Republicans were losing badly with Ryan anyway. I liked the guy, but his campaign was inept. They did stupid things. They were losing by 20 points in a lot of polls, and I'm the only person I know who was committed to vote for him. Around here, that's saying something. I don't think he had any firm support among Republican voters at all.

    3. As Bart noted, Fitzgerald was a Republican only because he thought the Republicans would give him the nomination when he got into politics. He was a bored rich guy who wanted to dabble in the Senate. He was at odds with the state Republican leadership (which would be hard for any decent man not to do) but also with the ideals most Republicans use to define the party--opposition to gun control, abortion, high taxes, etc.
    He was a reliable anti-gun vote.

    4. It wasn't the crime, it was the coverup. If Ryan had had the brains to tell some reporter "Hey, just so you know, the real reason the divorce is sealed is that the allegations in the custody battle got really vicious and outrageous--at one point, Jeri's lawyer was claiming that I somehow browbeat her into going to sex clubs and having sex in front of strangers. Obviously that's nonsense, but it's as embarassing for her now as it is for me, so we both want to keep it private." It wouldn't have stayed private, but that was inevitable from the start. Sheesh--the guy asked HIS WIFE to have kinky sex. That's a rare thing, is it? Obviously not--it would barely have been a ripple in the campaign if he'd handled it forthrightly.
    People keep saying he has a right to want to keep that private. Well, sure. He can want anything he wants, but if he wanted actually to keep it private, the only way to accomplish that was not to run. I don't buy his nonsense about how the Tribune must hate his son. THEIR position was clear all along. He knew, or should have known, they would out him in a heartbeat if they could. HE was the one who had all the facts at his command and STILL decided to run. His run at the Senate was more important than his interest in protecting the boy from this outcome. Either that, or he's just delusional.
    I still don't understand how any would-be politician can still think they'll just hope their past never comes out. Secrets are IMPOSSIBLE. It's not a slim chance. These people CANNOT keep a secret, especially when reporters have been told where to look as they had in this case. And Nixon should have taught people that cover-ups make everything you've done wrong 100% worse.

    5. THIS IS IMPORTANT: Barack Obama is a good politician, no doubt about that, but he also seems to be an honorable man who is willing to change his mind and make changes to policy if you can convince him it's for the best. We could do a lot worse than Obama if a Democrat is inevitable. He's anti-gun, but it doesn't seem to be a strong conviction with him. He can be influenced if he is approached with respect. Don't forget, his life story is just as extraordinary as Ryan's was. This is not your average person.
     
  12. flatrock

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    There is no public interest in making divorce records public. The judge that released those sealed documents should be impeached. His excuse was that the public needed to know that people were being treated fairly by the courts, however both parties in the court proceedings did not want the documents unsealed.

    If this were a criminal case, then his comment about making sure the rich didn't get favored treatment would be justified.

    If this were a civil case where the general public, or one of the parties from the case wanted to make the documents public because they felt they were treated unfairly, then I can see the value of unsealing the documents.

    When the people that are asking for divorce records are third parties, the Judge has no right to make those documents public. I hope that the legislature sees how this judge has overstepped and specifically makes it against the law to unseal divorce documents if both parties want them kept sealed.
     
  13. Mulliga

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    Strange case. Jeri Ryan is a shooter, I believe, so I kind of feel sorry for her. That is, after I imagine her in a kinky sex club.:evil:
     
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    Jack Ryan was, IIRC, trailing far behind the polls anyway.

    I sincerely doubt that this would have made a difference in the election.
     
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    Rumors were she was making it with the produce of the Star Trek Program too. Divorce can be a nasty thing. The fact that she seemed to have no interest in dumping on him during this whole mess speaks well of her too (okay, I liked the outfit she wore as 7 of 9).

    This Senate seat was on the endangered list from the start. Illinois has gone more and more Dem and the only reason Fitz won six years ago was because he was running against Mosely Braun. Lets hope the pro-gun guys win all of the open southern seats and that the GOP retains control.
     
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    Ah, those shining principled Republicans!
     
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    This Ryan, plus George Ryan (scandal ridden, now indighted gun grabbing weenie ex-gov.) and Jim Ryan (lost the last governor's race, ex. atty gen., gun grabbing weenie) make me think the Illinois Republican Party has a death wish .

    I dare anyone to prove me wrong.
     
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    As a well known advocate of Truth, Justice and the American way, I figure if my courts, paid for with my tax money are involved in ANY WAY. Those records are automatically my property, and I should be able to read them.

    Now if the litigants concerned want to keep secrets, they can either settle out of court, without wasting my tax money, or they can pay twice the costs of the courts time. Once for what they wasted, again for keeping my courts from doing their proper work.

    Geoff
    Who represents the Extreme Middle of the Road. :cool:
     
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    I just did a Google search for "Jeri Ryan nude," and got 113,000 hits. The first page appears to all be sites claiming to have nude pictures of her. (I didn't check them--the picture of Seven of Nine, above in this thread, is quite enough frustration for one day, thank you. :)) It doesn't sound like she is seriously opposed to exhibitionish displays. I think this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
     
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    Posing nude is significantly different than being asked to perform sexually in front of complete strangers.

    Well, at least depending on the magazine... :)
     
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    Yes, but to purport that he was completely out of line to ask, given her history, is, shall we say, at least a bit disingenuous.

    On the other hand, the sleazy nature of his apparent like of that sort of clubs, and of asking her to do what he alledgedly asked her (irrespective of whether is was appropriate in the context of her history), does cause me to think that I wound not want him in Congress.

    Unfortunately, my impression is that a solid majority of Congress is no better. (Sigh.)
     
  22. DTLoken

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    Actually the Democrat candidate spoke out against what happened to Ryan and said such stuff didn't belong in the campaign.
     
  23. Don Gwinn

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    The fact that you can Google it doesn't mean she posed nude. First, lots of porn admins use celebrity names as keywords, along with lots of other words that have nothing to do with the actual subject matter on their pages. They're getting paid by the hit. There are also thousands of "Celebrity Nude" websites out there that are nothing but fake pictures. They just photoshop a celebritie's smiling face onto the body of some woman doing truly bizarre things with three old men and a chicken. Of course the celebrity never posed for that, but it still shows up in Google.

    Her history has nothing to do with it. The way I see it, when I married my wife, I promised to devote my whole life to her. I DO deserve some rights in return for that. For one thing, I ought to be allowed to ask her just about anything. She doesn't have to say yes, but to destroy the guy because he asked is crazy.
    My wife wants to have a baby. I think that's insane, but she's got a right to ask, for goodness' sake.

    Actually the Democrat candidate spoke out against what happened to Ryan and said such stuff didn't belong in the campaign.
    I disagree with Obama, but he's a class act. Easy to underestimate. His failing, to me, is that he believes he can make some changes to a Daley gun ban and create "common sense gun control" that won't affect "collectors, hunters, people who are into history." I honestly don't think he understands the issue yet.

    Then again, maybe he's got me completely snowed.
     
  24. Sactown

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    Man, you're married to Jeri Ryan and you get your jollies in sex clubs? Obviously there's something wrong with Jack.
     
  25. JPL

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    Some men just can't be content.

    Years ago I knew a man who was married to the most stunningly beautiful woman I've ever known.

    Most supermodels out there today are absolutely dogs compared to her.

    She adored this guy, left her own burgeoning modeling career to be with him, whole 9 yards.

    He used to brag about how great their sex life was, something my wife at the time confirmed from talking to her.

    He simply couldn't keep it in his pants, and had a string of lady friends on the side.

    When she found out, it cost him everything.

    She took him worse that my first wife took me.

    My ex rode over me hard, and I didn't even cheat.
     
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