Heritage 45-410

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  1. WestKentucky

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    https://www.tactical-life.com/combat-handguns/heritage-manufacturing-revolver/

    after stumbling across the “Barkeep” I have now stumbled across another Heritage product I haven’t heard mentioned. 45/410 out of a revolver is lost on me, but I do see it as a potential kit gun as it does have notable versatility. It’s likely a fair amount cheaper than other 45-410 options like the Judge or Governor and being a single action it might appeal to folks who dislike a DA revolver.
     
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  2. kidneyboy

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    Sadly, the linked article is from 2012.
     
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  3. DocRock

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    Another vile abomination in an absurd chambering in my opinion but a wish them commercial success nonetheless.
     
  4. kidneyboy

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    I recently spent some time shooting a Bond Arms 45/410 derringer. Not bad to shoot considering you will only realistically get 2 shots with it.
     
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    But it is neither fish nor fowl and, as such, is a chambering without reason in the US. To chamber the 410 under US laws, the barrel must be rifled, which does nothing good for shot patterns. To mitigate the impact of the rifling, it is generally rather shallow, which, when added to the freebore for the 45LC required to chamber the 410, does nothing at all for accuracy.

    The 410 pistol was created in Brazil to meet the requirements of Brazilian law, and a 410 smoothbore pistol was the best cup of tea they could make. Here it makes no sense. Anything you can hit with 8 or 9 poorly patterning pellets, you can hit with 250 grs of 45 LC for more certain effect. All the 410 chamber does is diminish the accuracy of the 45LC, for no reason.

    Take the Bond Arms 'derringer'. Anything one can hit with the 410 at the ranges it will pattern acceptably could be equally easily hit with a 200+ grs bullet. So what is the benefit of the 410?
     
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  6. Barbaroja

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    I’ve handled a heritage big bore in 45 colt at a pawn shop about a year ago. Seemed to be much better made than the rough rider .22s. Didn’t really dig into it much though.
     
  7. TTv2

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    When I was looking for .410 revolvers to buy, I really wanted the Heritage. It was affordable, it has what I think would be a good grip, single action trigger, and above all it was affordable. Sadly not to be and no one seems interested in bringing it back.
     
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    Their parts are made by Pietta and put together here.
     
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    Are you saying they never actually went into production with the 45-410?
     
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    What use I have for a .45 Colt + shot would be met by a proper .45 Colt revolver and CCI .455 Colt shotshells.
     
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    I am just curious if Heritage ever actually produced the 45 410 model or if it was just cataloged. I just discovered the model a few days ago.
     
  12. TTv2

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    They did for about 10 minutes and then Taurus bought them and choose to stop making something that competed with the Judge. I think it's lame we don't have an inexpensive single action .410 revolver.
     
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  14. TnIron

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    I agree. I don't think they make any centerfire revolvers now. That is lame!
     
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    Yeah, they're not even listed on the website anymore. Big shame, I wanted one of those Big Bore models.
     
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    I never heard of this!

    I would be interested. As to the "why" I've said it before ad nauseum but with a deep dive into ballistics -handguns suck. All handguns suck for reliable stopping.

    Really getting down into incidents /stats it begins to show that multiple hits and wound channels increase the likelihood of a stop and increase the speed of a stop. That's almost it, not a huge difference in say 380 and 45 on paper, in reported incidents.

    I think there is great merit particularly in the federal 410 handgun buckshot rounds. They don't group all over the place, they group about like a fist to 30 feet. Each. 36 cal round ball goes over 12 inches (usually 14-16+), some may deform or flatten. 4 wound channels 4 entry and exit wounds, 4 chances to hit something vital, with each trigger pull, along with an increased likelihood to do so with the minimal spread. Even with the pdx rounds, the 3 defense discs go about 9-10 inches and the bbs give a wide spread and go 4-6. Glasses, etc, you are pretty well guaranteed to hit an aggressor and stats say again, that is likely to cause a break in the encounter. Border patrol, some of the most often to use side arms defensively state 9-10 inches of projectile penetration is effective for a stop... FBI includes barrier penetration etc with their higher reqs.

    I think a 410 revolver maybe with the pdx loaded first, a couple 410 buck following, and 3 45 colts with bonded jhp is a heck of a nightstand option and I'm saying this as a guy who shoots all the time for decades and can really reach out there 50+ yards with full size 9mms 45s 357s etc.

    For a grab and blast cqb option I think they hold merit.

    When we get the report of a home owner hitting a perp with 5 or 6 410 buckshot rounds (which means 20-24 .36 caliber holes right through the bad guy ) and it being a failure to stop I guess I'll eat my hat and join the rest of the internet in hating this caliber /chambering.
     
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    Interesting. It used to be that the 125 gr hp 357 and 230 gr have 45 acp loads hadcthe best one shot stop records in actual shootings and tests. Now we have better projectile options.
     
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    This revolver would have been ideal for the .45 Black Powder Magnum. Especially if you swapped the barrel for a standard 7.5" .45 Colt barrel.
     
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    Exactly what I was going to post. I would love a 45 Colt Pistol, but not if it also shoots a 410. Their .22 pistols looks nice enough.
     
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    One of these are on Gunbroker
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    That is almost as ugly as the judge is. I handled a judge in the LGS when they were all the rage and wondered why anyone would want one of the heavy, unbalanced, ugly things. Different stokes for different folks I suppose.
     
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    I'm actually surprised that one on GB is just a hair over 400 and with 30 mins to go. They're super rare revolvers given how few Heritage made. I was figuring the price would be well over 700.
     
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    IF THEY WERE FREE.........I would NOT take one home.
     
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    TnIron, you have to understand that with the ascendancy of the mighty 9mm, all lesser cartridges are...well lets be honest, they're crap.

    All those cops I interviewed doing research for my department who had been in gunfights, didn't understand that the Remington and Federal 125g 357 Magnum ammunition wasn't actually responsible for those one shot stops they witnessed. It must have been something else that made the bad guys go down. And all those army officers returning from Vietnam who were interviewed at Ft Benning about their combat experiences must have been confused by the fog of war when time and again they reported pointing their 1911s at the enemy, pulling the trigger, and the bad guy went down.

    Yes, the 9mm projectiles are so superior to every other projectile fired in a handgun that, well we might as well quit shooting anything else and stop talking about the whole subject of handgun performance. The mighty 9mm rules.

    If it wasn't so late this evening I'd go out to the shop and load some black powder 45 Colt ammo. Then I could go out to the desert and knock down steel targets with one shot after my friends 9mms make them go "ding".

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    Yea, different strokes, that, and a lack of experience with whatever too I think.

    I used to think the Judges were kind of silly and what was the point. Then I picked up an S&W Governor in a trade, and now have a bit of a different outlook on them. Personally, I see them as a narrow use, supplemental type woods gun. I really dont see them as a personal defense gun, but they would certainly work in that respect. I just think the usual thinking that the 410 would be best for that is flawed, and the 45's would be the better choice.

    At least with the S&W what they are not, is heavy and unbalanced. The Governor feels like a 4" K frame in the hand, even though it is not. Its well-balanced, points naturally, and shoots well.

    Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, and at best, they do look a bit odd compared to your average revolver.

    Another thing they are not is inaccurate, and that's with any of the rounds they are capable in shooting, which in the case of the Governor, is 45Colt, 45ACP, and the shorter 410's. And interestingly enough, and contrary to what you are often told because of the cylinder jump, at least with my gun, the 45ACP wins in the accuracy department. And the 45Colt is no slouch either. At distances you might use shot, the 410's pattern well, and at 10 yards, the buckshot will consistently give you a fist sized vertical string of 4, 0.33 caliber, 00B pellets(Federal).

    That Heritage is different, and actually "looks" better than the DA guns I think. I dont see SA gun being a better choice than a DA gun myself, and that would be the main reason Id pass on it for an actual working gun. Still, it would be fun to fool around with.
     
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