Hey PETA! Eat this!

[Omni04]

Wow, i never knew these things existed either. It does seem kind of barbaric, and i don't know if i would participate- but this was a very amusing read!

 

[NineseveN]

Forecasting lockdown before page 3 is filled in this thread. If it survives longer, I will be rather surprised.

 

[TexasRifleman]

did your God tell you to scare the stink pickles out of the animals, to get your perverted jollies off, before killing them?

No, what I said was that these "Turkey Shoots" are no more cruel or horrifying than any other method used to HARVEST (note I didn't say HUNT) meat.\

Personally I wouldn't attend one, I enjoy a real HUNT, because I know if it gets to where I am hungry I can just run to the store. Point is this is just another method of gathering meat but for some reason a few of you are freaking out over it.

Any slaughterhouse or other meat processing plant is just as gruesome, but I don't any of you that are bashing on this guy for attending a Turkey Shoot out protesting the other forms of gathering meat.

As I said, there is no "uncruel" way to kill an animal to eat, so what's the difference?

As for God, the point again is that we are at the top (some would argue only near the top) of the food chain so again, how we gather meat is not any more cruel or unusual than a Tiger that toys with a gazelle before killing it or any number of other activities that occur in the wild. How we got to the top of the food chain we can debate or not, no matter to me.

Why is this one so horrible in comparison to everything else that goes on in the name of eating? It's not.

 

[nat]

As far as I know some studies showed that torturing a mammal before killing it (as they do for instance in Korea) releases toxins in its body, making it somewhat less good for the eater's health. I don't know if it is true for birds.

During those "turkey shooting" parties the miss-kills (beasts hurted instead of being killed) are probably more frequent than during an usual turkey-slaughtering operation

This "turkey-shooting" thing is not hunting and when shooting I would better fire at a classic (non living) target.

 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Get over it, folks. It's a turkey shoot, not a hunt or a marksmanship competition.

A turkey is going to die so that my family can eat on Thanksgiving. There's no way around it. We're not going to turn vegetarian any time soon.

Does it really matter how the bird is killed, so long as it doesn't suffer needlessly? The author explicitly states that there are people on hand to ensure that the animals die quickly once wounded. So what's the problem? Chaining up the bird near loud noises? That's daily life for a bird in a poultry farm.

At least this way the turkeys' deaths provide some charity and entertainment/comraderie. Slaughterhouses provide neither. By comparison, slaughterhouses are just plain wasteful. The turkey shoot makes their deaths so much more meaningful.

 

[Sinsaba]

That, along with canned hunts, is one of the the worst, most unsporting ways of killing an animal that I have ever heard of. Yeah, they die either way, but how would it feel if you were the one out there tied up in a box while people took pot shots at you. That is horrible. And, no I am not a fan of PETA, and I do enjoy a nice turkey dinner for Thanksgiving and Christmas. But there are better ways of shooting one.
Also, it is not a smart idea to serve beer to people who are shooting guns.

That, along with canned hunts, is one of the the worst, most unsporting ways of killing an animal that I have ever heard of.

1) Who said anything about sport? This was a way of raising money for charity. Why should killing an animal for food involve sport anyway? Why should they get a "sporting chance"? I suppose hunting deer with a high powered rifle hidden from view is sporting? Or do you take exception to deer hunting too?

but how would it feel if you were the one out there tied up in a box while people took pot shots at you

2) This is a TURKEY we are talking about, not a human!! a dumb animal, a dumb animal raised for being KILLED!

That is horrible.

3) What is "horrible" why is it "horrible"? I don't understand the basis or purpose of that statement.

I do enjoy a nice turkey dinner for Thanksgiving and Christmas. But there are better ways of shooting one.

4) Better how? Remember the primary purpose isn't "killing turkeys" it is raising money.

The PETA people react in just this manner, the "put yourself in the place of the __________" or "it isn't sporting", or any number of other misplaced emotional appeals. The fact of the matter is THEY ARE ANIMALS.

 

[brerrabbit]

Wish they would have one around here, sounds like a lot of fun. Well, since I'm getting ready to put up a chicken house, I might just make a hutch for turkeys so we can have one for kith and kin.

 

[Euclidean]

I for one would much rather be tied up, stuffed in a box, and shot in the head than systematically tortured in a death factory. I'm not crazy about either option but the former is far cleaner and less painful than the latter.

Plus I doubt it takes 90% of the participants more than one shot, assuming they're using a rest and have properly configured optics. The only reasons someone might miss is windage, their zero is off, they're using cheap ammunition, etc. I wouldn't do something like this with say an SKS and I doubt anyone else would either. I'd like to think most people know that if you're going to kill an animal, you put it down clean, and would choose the right tool for the job.

Turkeys are incredibly stupid things that only know how to eat, crap, and mate. Doing something like this to say a chimpanzee or a horse might be wrong, but a turkey doesn't even have the capacity to be self aware.

 

[trickyasafox]

its a turkey. the money goes to charity, so i agree with that, and to be honest if some guy or gal gets feed his or herfamily for a buck plus whatever it cost for the shell, good for him/her. i really dont see a difference between this and people who buy their chickens live then slaughter them.

 

[roo_ster]

This thread is quite interesting, not because of the subject matter, but because the subject matter has become some sort of rorschach test for the posters.

Please, post on.

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Oh, now that I think of it, what do the pro & anti-turkey shooters think of bull fighting?

Dog fighting?

Cock fighting?

Thumb wrestling?

 

[NineseveN]

Oh I see, we only care about the smart animals? Dumb ones don't matter. LMAO. White sheets and woodgrain all around.

Have fun.

 

[DorGunR]

Dang, I didnt know we had so many PETA folks posting here.

 

[Missashot]

1) Who said anything about sport? This was a way of raising money for charity. Why should killing an animal for food involve sport anyway? Why should they get a "sporting chance"? I suppose hunting deer with a high powered rifle hidden from view is sporting? Or do you take exception to deer hunting too?

OK you are right boxing up a turkey and shooting it is NOT a sport. It is a barbaric way to torture and kill an animal. Any animal.

2) This is a TURKEY we are talking about, not a human!! a dumb animal, a dumb animal raised for being KILLED!

OK it is a dumb turkey, but at least it isn't a cruel turkey.

3) What is "horrible" why is it "horrible"? I don't understand the basis or purpose of that statement.

It is horrible because there are people who think that this is an OK method of killing.

4) Better how? Remember the primary purpose isn't "killing turkeys" it is raising money.

Then in that case, there are better ways to raise money.
Like I said, I am all for killing and eating animals. What I am not for is torturing and maiming then killing and eating animals.

 

[psyopspec]

We're not going to turn vegetarian any time soon.

Point clarity, HTG, nobody has suggested that anybody do this.

So...


Go vegan or go home!!! C'mon, it's for the chiclets.

 

[shooting time]

IMHO I think it should be outlawed ! It gives hunters & shooters a bad name. Every turkey shoot I have been to consisted of shooting a shot gun at a stationary target or a rifle at a moving target.Just imagine if you had to have your pet put down would you want it tied up and put in a box and shot at? You want a turkey shoot, shoot at a paper targets and give out store bought turkeys ! I hunt and beleive in fair chase and one shot kills with proper shot placement for minimal if any suffering for the animal.

 

[The Viking]

As far as I know some studies showed that torturing a mammal before killing it (as they do for instance in Korea) releases toxins in its body, making it somewhat less good for the eater's health. I don't know if it is true for birds.

I'v heard that the meat gets more tender if the animals release adrenaline/endorphines/whatever. Don't remember if the article said anything about harmful effects if it.

 

[repsychler]

I can't say that using a living thing for target practice is something I'd be interested in.
I'm a hunter, I love hunting, but this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[DorGunR]

As far as I know some studies showed that torturing a mammal before killing it (as they do for instance in Korea) releases toxins in its body, making it somewhat less good for the eater's health. I don't know if it is true for birds.

BS..........I lived in Korea for 9 years and I never saw or heard of this.

 

[AnthonyRSS]

I can't believe this many people care.

They are animals; we are not. If you don't believe that fundamental truth, then you can't be helped.

 

[1911Tuner]

Turkey Shoot

I agree with the dissenters. If you want sporting, take to the field after the master of reconnaisance...Mr. Wild Turkey. He'll give ya all the sport you can handle. And...if you're good enough to best him...the most succulent cooked bird that ever graced your table.

Tie'em up and take shots at'em? No fair!

 

[TexasRifleman]

It is horrible because there are people who think that this is an OK method of killing.

As opposed to the BETTER ways to KILL something? The Turkey is just as dead as if he were given a leather recliner and put to sleep while watching TV shows isn't he?

For animals raised to be killed for food in the end anyway, whether it be turkey, cattle, hogs, etc, how can you possibly argue the MANNER of death?

If you are against the killing totally, fine, but to argue that some methods of killing are OK and some are cruel is pretty comical, especially if you eat meat yourself.

 

[NineseveN]

OK it is a dumb turkey, but at least it isn't a cruel turkey

Missashot, best line in this thread so far. I lol'd.

To clarify, since the PETA members insinuation has been brought up, I think PETA is a hammer in search of a nail and practically useless.

I don't hunt, I don't see much sport in modern hunting, so I see it more as a hobby. But that's perhaps a personal preference, not dogma. I am fully aware of a number of folks that truly need to hunt (folks waaaay in the thick, poorer folks) and I am also aware of the deep tradition that hunting is with some families. All of that is awesome, I am all for it. You go out, you stalk/wait/happen upon your prey, you use a proper caliber rifle round or bow or whatever is appropriate and you kill the animal as quickly and cleanly as possible. That is a set of skills and requires exertion, that is a sport. I don't really feel that sitting in a duck boat or a tree stand all day is a sport, but it does require exposure to the elements and a ton of patience, so who am I to judge.

This is neither here nor there, but I wanted to clarify a bit before I went on.


As I said, I am not with PETA, nor do I support them. When there is no reasonable alternative, I am completely for testing done on animals, killing animals to thin populations, killing predators of endangered species, killing animals to eat them (whether en masse in a slaughter house or hunting/fishing), what I am not for is the senseless practice of these things, or the questionable methods that can be used when more viable and less barbaric methods are available.

This shoot, where folks may or may not drink beer (totally and unequivocally against using alcoholic beverages while handling firearms, period), that have a bunch of turkeys trucked in, tied up, put into a box with their heads sticking out and are forced to sit there while people take pot shots at them for a $1.00 turkey is completely ridiculous.

A sportsmen's club local to me has their turkeys for this shoot donated to them by a local supermarket to raise money for a children's hospital. These are store bought turkeys. The participants shoot at shoot-n-see targets, 1 shot, $1.00. The bullet must hit in a precisely marked area of the target. This is a more viable alternative, though arguably no less brutal as slaughterhouses can be nasty places... though I would not believe all the horror stories you see here, these folks that try and call those like me, "PETA supporters" are apparently comfortable using PETA literature and verbiage to describe how barbaric the methods that my store-bought turkey endured are compared to their own. Hypocrisy to point out hypocrisy is a circular argument.

Hell, for about the same money spent out on the event described in the original post, you could be like most of the "Turkey Shoots" I have seen where you shoot at silhouettes or targets, and win a fresh turkey that is humanely slaughtered there and plucked and bagged to take home. No need for the tie wraps for the turkeys' legs, no need for the boxes, the costs of those materials could cover targets or silhouettes. This is a better way to do this, which is why I am against these live shoots. I honestly had never heard of the type of shoot as described in the original thread taking place these days, of course I'm a damn Yankee, things are likely different elsewhere.

 

[Kurush]

This is a dumb argument, there's no way to prove either side and no way to convince anyone else you're "right" (because you're not right, it's just your opinion), so why blow all this hot air around.

Oh and to all the bunny huggers.

 

[Sindawe]

Well, I suppose that if one's marksmanship is so poor as the require the prey animal be tied down and unable evade, one really should not be classified as a hunter.

They are animals; we are not.

Animal: A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.

So what sort of plant are you AnthonyRSS?

If you want sporting, take to the field after the master of reconnaisance...Mr. Wild Turkey. He'll give ya all the sport you can handle. And...if you're good enough to best him...the most succulent cooked bird that ever graced your table.

+1

Bull fights? Dog fights? Cock fights? Outlets for degenerates who are too cowardly to put their own hides at risk.

 

[NineseveN]

+1 1911Tuner and Sindawe:

You two strike me as Hunters, whereas I am not and part of my argument may be invalidated by that.