Hi Point at gun show
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As if anybody needs it - my 2 cents :
I have only owned the Hi-Point carbine in 9mm. I found the gun to be a little crude, very accurate, pretty reliable, and a hoot to shoot. I also found it to be a bargin for the price I paid, and when the firing pin bent I found their customer service to be excellant. ( a new updated firing pin arrived with no charge three days after my phone call)
I have always found the pistols to be ugly and ill feeling in my hand. If however they function as well as the carbine (and I hear they do) they should be worth the money spent on them. If you can afford better - I'd say buy it. If you can't then I think you can still have a fairly reliable shooter for a lot less than most others sell for.
I have only owned the Hi-Point carbine in 9mm. I found the gun to be a little crude, very accurate, pretty reliable, and a hoot to shoot. I also found it to be a bargin for the price I paid, and when the firing pin bent I found their customer service to be excellant. ( a new updated firing pin arrived with no charge three days after my phone call)
I have always found the pistols to be ugly and ill feeling in my hand. If however they function as well as the carbine (and I hear they do) they should be worth the money spent on them. If you can afford better - I'd say buy it. If you can't then I think you can still have a fairly reliable shooter for a lot less than most others sell for.
ezypikns
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So there are lots of new gun owners/shooters?
How in the world can that be a BAD thing? Oh, I see. They're not buying THE RIGHT SORT of gun. According to YOU. I guess some folks can find a dark lining in every cloud.
Good Lord.
By the way, the first centerfire handgun I ever purchased was a Hi Point. I DO have a little experience with at least one of them. It was accurate enough. Never a FTF. Ugly? Yes. But it launched me into a hobby I loved then and still do. I sold mine long ago and I did move on to more expensive and in some cases better firearms, but it got me started. For that I'm grateful to Hi Point.
How in the world can that be a BAD thing? Oh, I see. They're not buying THE RIGHT SORT of gun. According to YOU. I guess some folks can find a dark lining in every cloud.
Good Lord.
By the way, the first centerfire handgun I ever purchased was a Hi Point. I DO have a little experience with at least one of them. It was accurate enough. Never a FTF. Ugly? Yes. But it launched me into a hobby I loved then and still do. I sold mine long ago and I did move on to more expensive and in some cases better firearms, but it got me started. For that I'm grateful to Hi Point.
In my OP I was under the impression that they weren't reliable. I can see now that that the general consensus is they are. I would not want that many new first time gun owners buying anything unreliable, as it may turn them against the hobby and they may not see the true value for self defense.
Jeff F
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I put three magazines through a .40 Hi Point a couple days ago. I had never handled a Hi Point before. It was big, ugly as a Glock but felt good in the hand. Very accurate and it did not malfunction. Thats about all I know about them. I probably would not buy one.
jahwarrior
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the only reason i don't own a Hi Point now is that i only buy guns that i can carry. i had an older one my brother gave me, when they were made by Haskell, that i kept in my van. it was huge, ugly, heavy, but it spit .45ACP all day long. if they ever make them thin enough that i won't throw my back out carrying one, i'll be the first in line to get one.
I'd like to say that I am all for people buying cheap guns. I wish every new shooter could have an established shooter take them under their wing and steer them toward a well used revolver, or help them pick out any other used guns.
many new shooters are drawn to new because they don't have the knowledge of firearms to properly pick out a good one, and they fear that guns are like cars (they wear out relatively quickly, and a thousand problems could be hiding under the hood) Even the least well made car, when brand new, will run for 30,000 miles before developing a problem.
We of course know that a poorly made gun will have problems day one, and an old beater gun can run forever if it is well made and lubed up from time to time.
If anyone is to blame for new users choosing hi-points, it is US for not doing enough outreach.
Now, onto highpoint reliability. I never owned one, but I had a friend who owned one. It was junk and constantly failed to strip a round off the magazine.
However, I have another friend whose introductory gun was an accu-tek 380. You had to phyisally push up on the magazine to keep it in the gun, recoil would make it pop out.
Hi point is just one of many inexpensive handguns that aren't terribly well made.
However, the fact that hi points are flourishing is due to how secretive we gunners tend to be about our hobbies.
I am sure every hi point buyer you saw has a shooter in his circle of friends...the new buyer just doesn't know this.
At my place of work, there are people who are known to be car guys. Car ignorant folks have no problem identifying them, and there is no stigma attached to that hobby. Car ignorant folk have no problem asking the "Car Guys" about car problems or advice on what car to buy.
Our hobby is un-PC.
It should be just like the car guys...or the computer guys...or any other 'hobbiest' whose hobby gives him better knowledge of what is out there.
If you want to hate someone for all the trash hi-points being sold, hate the antigun media who made us pariahs.
many new shooters are drawn to new because they don't have the knowledge of firearms to properly pick out a good one, and they fear that guns are like cars (they wear out relatively quickly, and a thousand problems could be hiding under the hood) Even the least well made car, when brand new, will run for 30,000 miles before developing a problem.
We of course know that a poorly made gun will have problems day one, and an old beater gun can run forever if it is well made and lubed up from time to time.
If anyone is to blame for new users choosing hi-points, it is US for not doing enough outreach.
Now, onto highpoint reliability. I never owned one, but I had a friend who owned one. It was junk and constantly failed to strip a round off the magazine.
However, I have another friend whose introductory gun was an accu-tek 380. You had to phyisally push up on the magazine to keep it in the gun, recoil would make it pop out.
Hi point is just one of many inexpensive handguns that aren't terribly well made.
However, the fact that hi points are flourishing is due to how secretive we gunners tend to be about our hobbies.
I am sure every hi point buyer you saw has a shooter in his circle of friends...the new buyer just doesn't know this.
At my place of work, there are people who are known to be car guys. Car ignorant folks have no problem identifying them, and there is no stigma attached to that hobby. Car ignorant folk have no problem asking the "Car Guys" about car problems or advice on what car to buy.
Our hobby is un-PC.
It should be just like the car guys...or the computer guys...or any other 'hobbiest' whose hobby gives him better knowledge of what is out there.
If you want to hate someone for all the trash hi-points being sold, hate the antigun media who made us pariahs.
chainsawmike
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I like my "red headed step son".
I own high-end guns. Pre-war S&W revolvers, Sigs, NFA stuff.
My first legal firearm was a Hi-Point. It worked 100%. I only traded it on a SKS at the time because I didn't have much money and the trade was the only way I'd make it happen.
When I worked at a shop, I sold dozens upon dozens, if not hundreds, of them. No one ever came back complaining they didn't work, and I saw many of the buyers come back for more ammo/magazines.
They're not pretty.
They're not amazing.
They go bang and hit what they're pointed at, and in the price range, if someone wants a new gun, there's literally no competition.
Everything else is pure junk in the price range.
They ARE well made. It would be financially stoopid to offer a no-questions-asked lifetime warranty on a product that was wasn't well made.
Hi-Point pistols are a quality AMERICAN-MADE firearm. They aren't target pistols, and they aren't good concealed carry pistols. There are better options if you can afford them. Hi-Points CAN BE RELIED UPON to serve their purpose in protecting your family until you can afford a better weapon. In their price range Hi-Point is the best choice unless you can find a great deal on a used gun.
jcwit
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jcwit
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I want a gun that feels good, aims well, shoots reliably, disassembles easily for cleaning, transfers recoil well, has a good weight to size ratio, and lastly.... looks good too..
Hi-points SOMETIMES fulfill one of those criteria.. that being shoots dependably.. that is about it.. they feel terrible, have more recoil than any gun of X caliber should, look terrible, are far too heavy for their size, aim worse than a Glock, and are ugly as sin, not to mention they are a pain in the ass to disassemble and clean...those are the obvious reasons why I will never own one... I would rather pay the money for a gun that fits my other criteria.... 1911's being a prime example but not the only example by any stretch.
Hi-points SOMETIMES fulfill one of those criteria.. that being shoots dependably.. that is about it.. they feel terrible, have more recoil than any gun of X caliber should, look terrible, are far too heavy for their size, aim worse than a Glock, and are ugly as sin, not to mention they are a pain in the ass to disassemble and clean...those are the obvious reasons why I will never own one... I would rather pay the money for a gun that fits my other criteria.... 1911's being a prime example but not the only example by any stretch.
AllAmerican
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I worked the gun show in Florence SC this weekend for Grass Roots Gun Rights in SC.
Both the guy I was working the both with and my BIL own Hi Points and love them. They actually carry them. Both C9's. I had a C9 as well. It went bang everytime I pulled the trigger.
Having said all that, I went into the show after I worked the booth and I looked at some of the Carbines from HP.
They looked used up. I was disappointed. I know the stock and all is ugly but even the ones I saw with the ATI stocls on them had metal parts that looked old. These were new guns too.
I was looking to spend some money and a carbine from HP with the ATI stock would have won me over if the metal hadnt looked used up.
I even said to my BIL that they were used and he said no they were new. Then the booth guy said they were new.
I have no problem with the function of a HP firearm but man they are freakin ugly as sin.
Both the guy I was working the both with and my BIL own Hi Points and love them. They actually carry them. Both C9's. I had a C9 as well. It went bang everytime I pulled the trigger.
Having said all that, I went into the show after I worked the booth and I looked at some of the Carbines from HP.
They looked used up. I was disappointed. I know the stock and all is ugly but even the ones I saw with the ATI stocls on them had metal parts that looked old. These were new guns too.
I was looking to spend some money and a carbine from HP with the ATI stock would have won me over if the metal hadnt looked used up.
I even said to my BIL that they were used and he said no they were new. Then the booth guy said they were new.
I have no problem with the function of a HP firearm but man they are freakin ugly as sin.
So, having access to one, seeing it shot many times, shooting it some, field stripping it, trying to get it to work, this is all NOT informative just because I am not the owner?
B.S. I have first hand knowledge, hands on knowledge.
As for the Hi Point warranty, I think a lot of people balk at the price of sending the gun off. Yes, in theory it is fixed for free, but in practice it is 'fixed' for $40
when you consider the 'resale' value of a slightly used Hi Point, that $40 is a lot.
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