Hi Point Carbine
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CoalCrackerAl
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Naa there not bad. I have 4 of them. 9mm,40sw,10mm and 45 acp. The 45 groups the best. Trigger pull is heavy though. They are heavy to cary though.
Mosin Bubba
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They're fun for sure. But I bought a Kel Tec Sub 2000 instead though, and am happy that I did.
It's basically the same design as a Hi Point PCC - blowback action, plastic clamshell stock, etc - but it's 2 or 3 pounds lighter. Takes hi-cap Glock mags too, which may be a benefit for your matches.
It's basically the same design as a Hi Point PCC - blowback action, plastic clamshell stock, etc - but it's 2 or 3 pounds lighter. Takes hi-cap Glock mags too, which may be a benefit for your matches.
Lo-Profile
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They work, they're ugly .... limited magazine capacity
You'd be better off with a gun taking Glock magazines
You'd be better off with a gun taking Glock magazines
I looked at the Kel tec and it looks awkward, how is it to shoot?
The only people that say Hi Point carbines are bad are the haters that only parrot what they hear online. I have yet to run across a Hi Point carbine that does NOT function reliably. Yes they are ugly and heavy but they always work and have a no questions asked warranty if you do have a problem.
I've owned my Hi Point 4095 (40 S&W) carbine since 2006 and it has been extremely reliable and accurate.
I've owned my Hi Point 4095 (40 S&W) carbine since 2006 and it has been extremely reliable and accurate.
theotherwaldo
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Get one, use it, wear it out (if you can) and send it back.
Lifetime warranties rule!
Lifetime warranties rule!
They're ugly, but they go bang reliably. What do you mean by "bad"?
CapnMac
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The pistols have a "rep" for being awful, yet they continue to sell.
Neither the pistols not the carbines are very pretty. Where other makers use engineering to be small, light, and svelte, HP uses mass, and chunkiness for reliability.
A Renault Clio is not that much different than a Fiat 500, but the latter looks more sophisticated.
There's not a huge selection in the modern PCC market right now, so, you kind of have to pick and choose on your own criteria.
Neither the pistols not the carbines are very pretty. Where other makers use engineering to be small, light, and svelte, HP uses mass, and chunkiness for reliability.
A Renault Clio is not that much different than a Fiat 500, but the latter looks more sophisticated.
There's not a huge selection in the modern PCC market right now, so, you kind of have to pick and choose on your own criteria.
Mosin Bubba
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That's a YMMV question. It's totally subjective how a gun fits you, you just have to try it out.
The Kel Tec has an AR-ish straight line design, which means a low buffer-tube stock and tall sights. Some people have trouble getting their cheek down on that tube. I don't mind it on the Kel-Tec, but I don't mind it on ARs either.
Hokkmike
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Picked up a SUB2000. Have yet to shoot it. Will likely install a RED DOT even thought that would preclude folding the thing into its nice little storage size.
As has been said, no question ask warranty. I have 3 in 9mm (with HTA stock), 40 S&W, and 45 Auto. Reliable, I can't remember having any malfunction with them. I consider them good within a 50 meter range.
I wanted to get a Kel-Tec in 40 back before I got the Hi-Point, but they seemed to never be in stock.
I wanted to get a Kel-Tec in 40 back before I got the Hi-Point, but they seemed to never be in stock.
Lefty38-55
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I had a 995 in 9mm and it was flawless! It was 100% reliable, even when loaded with 10 different brands of ammo in the one magazine (a cool test to run!).
It shot baseball-sized groups offhand at 50-yards. That on-board, on buttstock, twin mag carrier they sell is also cool!
Only sold it when I upgraded to a Kel-Tec Sub2K, as that uses higher capacity CZ-75B magazines that I can take advantage of.
It shot baseball-sized groups offhand at 50-yards. That on-board, on buttstock, twin mag carrier they sell is also cool!
Only sold it when I upgraded to a Kel-Tec Sub2K, as that uses higher capacity CZ-75B magazines that I can take advantage of.
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jonnyc
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I love my 995...very reliable and accurate. Mine is an older version in an ATI stock, and consistently beats out my buddy's Beretta, with its horrible trigger. Ony down-side is the mags. Stick with OEM and Red Ball mags and you're GTG.
someguy2800
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I had one for awhile and put it in the beretta storm style stock. Mine was very reliable and reasonably accurate with the original iron sights and original stock. The aftermarket stock made it really unreliable. I found that the mag catch was lower in the aftermarket stock which caused feeding problems. I fixed it by welding and reshaping the mag catch.
It was fun but I found that because the scope mount is just on the top sheet metal cover that it would not hold zero very well with an optic and taking the gun apart to clean meant rezeroing it, at least on my example.
I decided that I liked the 9mm carbine idea enough that it was worth investing a few extra dollars to build an AR15 SBR in 9mm. You can build a 9mm AR that takes glock mags for around $400 which puts a hi point or sub 2000 to shame in my opinion. That is where I would spend my money.
It was fun but I found that because the scope mount is just on the top sheet metal cover that it would not hold zero very well with an optic and taking the gun apart to clean meant rezeroing it, at least on my example.
I decided that I liked the 9mm carbine idea enough that it was worth investing a few extra dollars to build an AR15 SBR in 9mm. You can build a 9mm AR that takes glock mags for around $400 which puts a hi point or sub 2000 to shame in my opinion. That is where I would spend my money.
Totally agree, my 1095TS - 10mm carbine has worked perfectly for over 2K rd’s. It’s heavy and not much to look at, but man does it run
They are reliable, accurate, and ugly as ugly can be...... which makes them kinda adorable in a homely sorta way.
I do like the feel of rhe keltec a littke better, but its not anymore accurate or reliable. Sights are also too damn low
I do like the feel of rhe keltec a littke better, but its not anymore accurate or reliable. Sights are also too damn low
Mick Boon
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I would say they are probably the best PCC available, I have tried almost all of them and the Hi Point came out on top. The trigger is crap but it's easy to fix. They are not a gun you never need to clean as I often hear, and they can be a pita to disassemble at first.
Too ugly for me.
During Covid when Michigan was locked down, I talked to my sister who mentioned she was feeling unsafe at her house. There were lots of people out of work hanging around her rental lake house. My sister and brother in-law were renting while having a house built at the time after selling their home. She and the family (brother in-law, niece, and 2 nephews) discussed, what would they do if someone broke in? Basically they were screwed.
We chatted about firearms and she mentioned that she never wanted one in the house previously. However, her feelings had changed on them. I told her I would look through my collection and send her something via a local MI FFL.
Our father killed himself with a 12 gauge shotgun, so a pump shotgun was out. I have spare AK's and AR15's but don't see either as being ideal for a new shooter with no experience. I also have plenty of handguns but they didn't seem ideal.
I called a couple local, to her, Michigan gun shops to see what they had for inventory for 9mm carbines. They were sold out of everything. Looking in Missouri and Arkansas, Ruger PC Carbines in 9mm were readily available on the shelf. I bought 2 of them. 1 to send to my sister via a Michigan FFL and 1 to practice with myself.
A Hi Point Carbine, would've work. They have a simple manual of arms and are cheap. However, what kind of brother / uncle would I be if I gave my sister a Hi Point? It's just too ugly. Plus I already had loads of spare Glock mags to send my sister. Which I did along with about 600rds of 9mm ammo (FMJ and JHP).
The Ruger PC 9mm carbine is basically an oversized 10/22 that takes Glock mags. I created a short video on how to load and fire the Ruger for my sister and family.
www.youtube.com
During Covid when Michigan was locked down, I talked to my sister who mentioned she was feeling unsafe at her house. There were lots of people out of work hanging around her rental lake house. My sister and brother in-law were renting while having a house built at the time after selling their home. She and the family (brother in-law, niece, and 2 nephews) discussed, what would they do if someone broke in? Basically they were screwed.
We chatted about firearms and she mentioned that she never wanted one in the house previously. However, her feelings had changed on them. I told her I would look through my collection and send her something via a local MI FFL.
Our father killed himself with a 12 gauge shotgun, so a pump shotgun was out. I have spare AK's and AR15's but don't see either as being ideal for a new shooter with no experience. I also have plenty of handguns but they didn't seem ideal.
I called a couple local, to her, Michigan gun shops to see what they had for inventory for 9mm carbines. They were sold out of everything. Looking in Missouri and Arkansas, Ruger PC Carbines in 9mm were readily available on the shelf. I bought 2 of them. 1 to send to my sister via a Michigan FFL and 1 to practice with myself.
A Hi Point Carbine, would've work. They have a simple manual of arms and are cheap. However, what kind of brother / uncle would I be if I gave my sister a Hi Point? It's just too ugly. Plus I already had loads of spare Glock mags to send my sister. Which I did along with about 600rds of 9mm ammo (FMJ and JHP).
The Ruger PC 9mm carbine is basically an oversized 10/22 that takes Glock mags. I created a short video on how to load and fire the Ruger for my sister and family.
Ruger PCC 9mm Carbine
www.youtube.com
Mick Boon
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The problem with the Ruger PCC is that it has a flimsy barrel liner.The Ruger PC 9mm carbine is basically an oversized 10/22 that takes Glock mags. I created a short video on how to load and fire the Ruger for my sister and family.
Ruger PCC 9mm Carbine
These are tough.
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Hillbilly Hydrographics
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If anyone thinkin of the keltec sub2k check out mcarbo.com they have all the parts to make a semi fun range toy into a reliable work horse. Also they have a scope mount that fold over to allow the sub2k to still be able to fold. I had a hi point 9mm carbine i regret trading off and thats how i ended up with my keltec sub2k. Keltec and mcarbo teamed up to make the m-series sub2000 and you can get it with all the upgraded parts allready installed. They was just starting to make upgraded parts for it when i got mine so i bought piece by piece and installed them as the parts came out. If i had to do it again today i would have bought the m-series. A company called redlion also makes a rotating fromt end for the keltec so you can mount scopes and such and twist to side so gun will still fold up. As for hipoints there is so much hate for them on most forums. Yeah there not winning beauty pagents but the damn things run and run well. Im a huge fan of the hipoint. My jhp45 pistol has several thousand rounds threw her and has never gave me the first problem.
The problem with the Ruger PCC is that it has a flimsy barrel liner.
These are tough.
"Flimsy Barrel Liner" never heard of that complaint before. Tell me more.
Mick Boon
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Shoot a few proof loads through one then take a look at the barrel from the muzzle end, the washboard effect will be plain to see.
Pat Riot
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Hey Mick, the PC Carbine’s barrel is one piece.
“Ruger’s PC Carbine sports a 16.1-inch cold-hammer-forged chrome-moly barrel with a threaded muzzle. The barrel is fluted to reduce weight. The muzzle is threaded 1/2x28 and comes with a thread protector.”
Ruger PC Carbine Chassis Review - RifleShooter
With the new Chassis version of the carbine, Ruger's PC Carbine gets a significant upgrade.
www.rifleshootermag.com
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Regarding Hi-Point carbines; I do not own one but everyone I know that has one loves ‘em. The one, actually two complaints I here are:
1. Owners wish they used Glock mags.
2. Ugly as a mud fence.
Personally, I think they look unique. They’re not pretty, for sure, but they have a look about them. The first time I saw one I thought of the movie “Planet of the Apes.”
