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Hi-Point: Contender for Ugliest Gun of the Year?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Sturmgewher, May 20, 2008.

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  1. Sturmgewher

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    Looking through the pages of this years Guns Buyers Guide (trying to decide how best to do my part to stimulate the economy) I came across in the "H" section the Hi-Point series of auto loaders. This slab sided monstrosity looks as if it where designed by a either a government comitee or France. As is evidenced by the heavy slide, the blow back action Hi-Point relies on shear mass over quality materials to ensure it doesn't end the firing cycle implanted in the shooters face. The large extractor is a flat blade type that runs well back from the gaping ejection port, further evidence of this weapons cobbled together nature by people who are trying to fill a niche once dominated by Jennings, Davis and other cheap pistols for those who really want a gun and care little for quality and safety.
    There are many who defend the Hi-Point as being a reliable pistol and maintain people who knock them are "gun snobs". Is a gun snob someone who appreciates quality materials assembled in a well thought out design? If so it is a mantle I gladly accept. Quality adds value and consequently dollar signs but you get what you pay for.
    For $150 you can take home a Hi-Point, but it's like dating an ugly chick, it's all good till your friends see you. Why not save a few more bucks and pick up a well made entry level pistol like the kel-Tec P11? Or a Makarov?
    The Hi-Point may work for mall warriors and posers but a real shooter isn't going to waste his time, money, or gun safe space on something like this ugly gun.
     
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    Spoken like a gun snob who has never actually held, shot or seen a Hi-Point pistol in person...but I bet he really likes the HK's he plays with in Counterstrike...

    :rolleyes:

    Sure they are no Kimber. But if you are on a tight budget and you need a defensive weapon it beats a sharp stick in the eye.

    Made in Ohio.
    Customer service and follow up is excellent.
    I have yet to find anyone who has had a truly bad experience with one of these.
    Because of that big heavy slide they are very soft recoiling and are great to teach a new shooter on.
    The epitome of the trunk gun. Throw it in a box, bag or drawer for a rainy day.

    Oh, yeah.

    I shouldn't feed the troll.
     
  3. EHL

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    LOL!!!!:) THey are ugly!:barf:
     
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    The Hi-Point .380 is cheap and works very well. Again the trade off is they are not really safe to carry with one in the chamber. But ugly, come on. Everybody knows they are sexy beasts.
     
  5. Ltlabner

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    Amen.

    I'm starting to beat a dead horse, I realize, but inexpensive for inexpensive's sake doesn't strike me as very wise when betting your life (and the life of your family) on the performance of a particular tool.

    But hey, I guess if your family is only worth the cheapest option available you'll really be a leg up on us snobs.
     
  6. tinygnat219

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    Actually,

    Either the blocky HK, or the GLOCK takes the cake for ugly.

    In simple terms, the Hi-Point product line is a budget version of the GLOCK. It's reliable, easy to shoot, and inexpensive. Those that disdain the Hi-Point really seem to miss the advantages offered: It's an affordable, reliable firearm that can be owned by anyone. If one can afford more expensive, they usually get more expensive. However, if one is living from paycheck to paycheck and lives in a bad part of town the Hi-Point offers an option for Self-Defense that they otherwise wouldn't have.

    Sorry Gun Snobs, go play with your custom 2000 dollar pistols, and your Teutonic blocks of Tactical Tupperware. All we ask is that you keep your elitist comments to yourselves. The Hi-Point and other guns like it often mean the difference between being defenseless and not. It means I don't have to choose between affording the rent for the month and being a victim.
     
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    What I hear about them is that they actually do work reasonably well, and the manufacturer actually stands behind his generous warranty.
     
  8. BryanP

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    For some people a Hi Point is the best they can afford. Yes, they're ugly. However, they tend to be quite reliable. I can afford a nice SIG if I want one. Not everyone is that fortunate. Me, I don't begrudge them the right to purchase an affordable self defense option.
     
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    The HP gets my ugly vote, followed by the fullsize Glocks:D
     
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    I'm learning that, to a large extent, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (note: this does not apply to the BHP and the Beretta Cheetah, each of which is undeniably gorgeous). When I bought my first handgun, I thought the Glock was fugly and the USP had a sort of brutal beauty to it.

    Now that I've got a 1911 and a BHP, I think the USP is just ugly. As for the Hi Point, while it's not pretty it has a certain utilitarian appeal to it. Sometimes that's what you're looking for (I'm a firm believer in the idea that an especially intimidating gun can cause people to think twice when they otherwise wouldn't); I'd arm a civilian security force with these without hesitation.
     
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    Century.

    Doesn't mean it still isn't ugly as sin.
     
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    I own several Glocks, Smiths, Rugers, Taurus, CZ's. I have owned more than that and traded them for other units. I also own Lorcin, sundance, Byrco, Jennings, Hi point.

    I don't know why the second someone says they bought a SNS, someone starts babbling about "betting your life". When it comes down to it, I am actually betting my life on a $0.19 peice of brass....


    My vote for ugly gun of the year...

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    Who cares?? At least it gives more people the option of taking advantage of their 2A right to keep and bear arms. (the law abiding ones)

    As for reliable, it is far above average... Pretty, uh, ok... you got me there...

    In a hobby/sport that is hurting for new blood, why bash someone for opting to buy a HiPoint over one of the more expensive makes? Remember, they're on our side...
     
  15. Ltlabner

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    Bravo Sierra

    If you can scrimp and save to get the $150 for the HiPoint, why not scrimp and save another $150? This opens the door to a whole new range of budget weapons. Plenty of police trade ins Glocks, Smith & Wessons along with Sig P6's. Heck a local shop near me has a used but basically brand new S&W Sigma .40 GVE for $285 cash. The choice isn't $150 or $2000.

    The "it's all I can afford" bit is usually code for: "I want to buy the cheapest thing out there so I can guy buy other fun stuff too". If it's so critical to have a weapon to defend yourself, why not put the effort into getting one you can count on?

    Yea, I know. You can put 100,000 rounds through a HiPoint. :rolleyes:
     
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    Some people are on really tight budgets and that second $150 you mentioned is money unavailable for ammo and range fees. Besides, if you're scared of an abusive ex-boyfriend it's a lot easier to come up with $150 than $300. If you're pulling in $30,000 per year it's not so bad, but what if you're a waitress (or God help you, a single mother)? You may barely be making ends meet as it is and pulling an extra $300 together in anything less than several months may be essentially impossible.
     
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    Can't we just all get along? :rolleyes:
     
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    I see, you are an expert on everyone's finances. You think with the rising cost of food and fuel that 150.00 isn't a lot of money for people? I gotta live where you are, the milk and honey must be fabulous. The guns you list above are easily twice the price of a standard Hi-Point, yet offer no warranty.

    If you read my original post, you will note that this is not my point. My point was that there are a lot of people living on the edge financially right now and the Hi-Point is an option that allows them to pay the rent and to defend themselves. Are there better guns out there? Certainly. However, not everyone can afford them. So please keep the elitist crap out of the posts.
     
  19. Sturmgewher

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    Seen and held the Hi Point .45ACP. After this quick examination, no, I didn't fire it.
    I don't own a $2000 pistol, that makes as much sense as spending $150 on one, just the other end of the fool and his money spectrum. Teutonic blocks of tactical hardware? Funny. But I can conceal a Glock allot easier then a Hi-Point.
    Yeah, that's gonna happen.
    You could get a quality 12ga. for around the same price and have a superior defense weapon. AND if you are concealing your Hi-Point, A. you are a magician and B. breaking the law. If you can afford a CCL, you can afford a better weapon.
    Just the opinion of another fan of quality firearms, i.e. gun snob
     
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    Where can I get a quality 12 gauge for that price?

    Besides used counters, which are random as all get out. Course, I've never seen a Hi-Point for sale, either, truth be told.
     
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    This is getting pretty nasty but here is my thinking...
    Hi-points are great for those on a fixed income. If you want a shooter, don't buy a Hi-point. Hi-points are perfect for the vast majority of gun owners who keep one gun around the house for protection. From the last figures I've seen, there are more than 300,000,000 guns in the US, and there's about that many people, so do you think every person that owns a gun goes to the range every weekend and shoots 300 rounds to become proficient? Most gun owner's aren't gun nuts, otherwise they'd all be posting on THR.

    Those are some pretty harsh words there don't you think? So, Hi-points are only for criminals and poor people who you believe don't need guns?
    I agree that there are many better choices for defense, but how many people want to spend at least $300-$500 for something they'll most likely never fire? Let's go blow my gas money for a month on something that I might not need. I enjoy shooting so I buy decent shooting irons. I rarely play golf, so I have a cheap set of clubs. Makes sense, right? Most people understand that money doesn't grow on trees. As for the "You only think for family is worth $150" comments, I guess a lot of people feel that their family is worth the price of a baseball bat, because that sits behind more front doors than anything else. I guess I should trade in my Ford for a Benz too.

    PS, they are very ugly guns.

    HB
     
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    I'm not an expert on everbodies finances but I know a little about saving money. If someone is capible of saving $150 they are capable of saving some additional amount. Heck, they can continue saving and really stock up on money. Funny how the ability to save never goes away at some magical amount in your bank account.

    Sure, if you need a gun RIGHT NOW then $150 HiPoint makes some sense. But by using that "logic" they ought to get the $75 saturday night special. Or the $50 knife. Or the $10 sling shot.

    Hey, if suggesting that people save a little more money and get a better weapon (IMO) is "elitist" then I suppose I am elitest.

    Then again, I think telling people they can only afford crap and are somehow incapable of saving money is pretty demeaning to an entire group of people.
     
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    They are indeed ugly as heck. But I love mine.
     
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    Ugliest gun of the cartridge era. The only things that come close are the old Dreyse 9mm autos from WWI, also ill-conceived blowbacks in 9x19mm.

    The last one I saw on our club range malfunctioned to the point where it never finished a magazine without user intervention.

    I'm about as proud to have Hi-Point be from Ohio as I am to have Jeffrey Dahmer be from Ohio.
     
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    MY life is worth at least $300. You may place a different valuation on your own.

    If I didn't think that my life was worth the cost of a police surplus Glock 19 or even a police surplus S&W Model 10, I'd just walk in front of a bus and be done with it.
     
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