Hi Point Frozen to -110F--Will it Fire...?

[Mr Gunsmith]

I still own a Hi Point .45 JHP that has been nothing but solid & dependable for me. I've had nary a FTF, FTE, or stovepipe using anything from steel cased to hand loads. In fact, the very reason I spent so long not commenting on this board (almost a yr of reading in the background) was due to the outright gun snobbery that is prevalent here & elsewhere on the net.:banghead:

Sadly there are a number of people that seem to have the opinion the 2nd Amendment was meant for wealthier citizens since if it isn't a Sig Sauer or Colt 1911 then it's just a Saturday Night Special. And let's not forget the all plastic Glock fanatics. But from my perspective, any gun that is acceptable to the shooter is just fine no matter the name on the barrel.

I still like & use my Hi Point along with a Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm & I just recently added a Taurus 24/7 OSS Tactical 9mm to the mix. I like them all & would (& do) trust my life to them. The gun snobs would say I'm not a real shooter. Oh well. They have their opinion. So be it.

Oh & the video proves yet again that the Hi Point is damn near unbreakable. Funny how the Glocks don't hold up to the same scrutiny. But again I digress.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Essentially now if one mocks them they look (forgive me) stupid in that for $150 how can you argue "with what you get" in return...?

When I finally see someone complete a serious multiday pistol course with one, I'll stop bagging on them.

Until then, yeah it's a fun toy to whip out at the range once in a while and put fifty or so rounds down range, but no, it's not a serious firearm like an M&P, Glock, Sig or CZ.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

When I finally see someone complete a serious multiday pistol course with one, I'll stop bagging on them.

Until then, yeah it's a fun toy to whip out at the range once in a while and put fifty or so rounds down range, but no, it's not a serious firearm like an M&P, Glock, Sig or CZ.

If someone can afford to take a multi-day gun course, they'd know that they'd be laughed off the course the minute they went to the line with a Hi-Point, even though most of those laughing have never had hands-on experience with the gun. Given that, it's unlikely that anyone would try it -- and because of that, I doubt you'll ever see such a thing happening.

Besides, if someone could afford to take a multi-day gun course, they probably could afford to buy a gun that was more costly than a Hi-Point. If you only have a Hi-Point, the likelihood of taking such a course is about zero.

Of the hundreds of different discussions I've read here and on similar forums over the years, when Hi-Point owners talk about their experiences, they're generally favorable. The slams and insults generally come from folks who never owned or even shot them.

(It's a bit like the folks who find Glocks disgusting without even trying them.)

Some of the Hi-Point owners have other, most costly guns -- and they certainly prefer the other, more costly guns -- but they still give the Hi-Points their due -- and often keep them in their trucks, tackle boxes, or somewhere handy when out and about.

And, as others have noted, the carbines are universally praised.

 

[PT92]

When I finally see someone complete a serious multiday pistol course with one, I'll stop bagging on them.

Until then, yeah it's a fun toy to whip out at the range once in a while and put fifty or so rounds down range, but no, it's not a serious firearm like an M&P, Glock, Sig or CZ.

Click,

Your comment is sophomoric in nature--how many people who purchase a $150 gun are looking to complete your "serious multiday pistol course." Jeez, get a clue guy (the old apple and oranges thingy...?)...

 

[CoRoMo]

Actually I could give a damn.

Good on you because I could not.

Don't mistake my previous post to be directed at you. Another member asked a question that went unanswered.

 

[Pete D.]

Oh brother...!

Well...that's an answer.

Pete

 

[MachIVshooter]

Stick to your day job as your "attempt" at stand-up sucks...

Oh brother... !

Oh yeah--I came here craving the auto-industry info--Thanks!!!

Actually I could give a damn. I just found the video interesting absent any of the apparently obligatory (unsolicited at that...) analysis. I swear these boards become more like a women's coffee shop with each passing day....

Click,

Your comment is sophomoric in nature

Clearly someone has peed in your Wheaties two days in a row.

 

[Jaymo]

I know the two guys in the video. They work at Moss Pawn Shop in Jonesboro GA (right where Jonesboro, Morrow, and Forest Park all bump into each other).
The owner's daughter is a longtime personal friend of mine (meaning, we grew up together). I've bought a lot of reloading and BP gear from them.
Barry's a hoot to talk to, BTW. They're all good folks. I got my CZ RVM85 from them this year.


You should watch their other Hi Point torture tests. They have done things to those guns that make me shudder, in attempts to destroy them. They hammered a long 3/8" inch bolt into the barrel (of a 9mm Hi Point) and fired it (remotely) to see if it would blow up. It didn't.

In fact, you should watch all their videos. Much more entertaining than 90% of the d-baggery you normally see on Goobtube.

I need to talk to Barry and see if I can get in on some of their videos.

 

[hogshead]

I guess Hi Point has fan boys too. I personally dont have a lot of experience with their pistols but have had a few carbines that worked quite well.Needless to say the ergonomics were horrible but they did go bang.

 

[PT92]

Gentlemen,

I posted the link because I thought that as guys most of us would be interested in the mechanics of how machinery/engineering etc. work under extreme conditions. To be utterly candid, I would have posted the link to the vid had the test subject been a Smith, Ruger, SIG, Colt, Phoenix Arms or even a Jennings 'blue-light' special (in fact I have an appreciation of firearms torture testing in general). I own three HP's, namely, the .45acp hand/long gun and the C9--in addition I own lots more firearms so I bought my HP's for a specific purpose.

But the vitriol my OP has created is entirely uncalled for as the post is geared ENITIRELY towards the "physics" of the matter and not intended to be vendor-specific. So I guess the responses (what's the point, I can't run competition with the POS, makes for a great paper-weight etc.) did tee me off and I am not going to deny--I am certain that some people (usually trolls but not always) bait for such and somehow get-off on it...I guess life's short so if it floats your boat...

-Cheers

 

[gojuice101]

I know the two guys in the video. They work at Moss Pawn Shop in Jonesboro GA (right where Jonesboro, Morrow, and Forest Park all bump into each other).
The owner's daughter is a longtime personal friend of mine (meaning, we grew up together). I've bought a lot of reloading and BP gear from them.
Barry's a hoot to talk to, BTW. They're all good folks. I got my CZ RVM85 from them this year.


You should watch their other Hi Point torture tests. They have done things to those guns that make me shudder, in attempts to destroy them. They hammered a long 3/8" inch bolt into the barrel (of a 9mm Hi Point) and fired it (remotely) to see if it would blow up. It didn't.

In fact, you should watch all their videos. Much more entertaining than 90% of the d-baggery you normally see on Goobtube.

I need to talk to Barry and see if I can get in on some of their videos.

I usually watch their Youtube channel weekly. They have a lot of good videos, and I really like their Gun Gripes series. I've also watched their torture tests on the Hi-Point pistols. I'm not a fan of the pistols (yes, I have actually shot them), but there is no denying they are a solid built gun. Barry and Eric definitely had a tough time getting one to break.

 

[Jaymo]

gojuice101-I needz sum clipz fo' mah choppa.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Click,

Your comment is sophomoric in nature--how many people who purchase a $150 gun are looking to complete your "serious multiday pistol course." Jeez, get a clue guy (the old apple and oranges thingy...?)...

Please, if you want to try to take the discussion high brow, at least make sure you take care of the logic fallacies before posting. Your improper assumption here is that only people who could only afford a Hi-point would purchase one, ergo no one who purchases a Hi-point would be able to afford to go to a multiday course... The Hi-Point by default being a poor mans gun...

Which clearly explains why I have a half dozen Rough Rider revolvers... you know, because I could only afford $169 dollar revolvers.. bought six at a time...

Probably also explains the half dozen C9s too... oh wait..

Hang on...

Crap. Guess your argument just fell all apart didn't it. Most instructors I know have one or more hidden away somewhere. Most of those guys have completed [my] "serious multiday pistol course." Multiple times... Seriously, what's with the quotes you put around "serious multiday pistol course"? Some sort of disbelief in the existence of said courses?

I use C9s during parts of my classes for new shooters because they are rugged, simple and I won't care too much when a student breaks one.

That said, they are still horribly unergonomic, brickish, tend to slice users fingers up, have a trigger pull roughly similar to trying to build Legos with gloves on and in general are all around horrible pieces of garbage.

The reason you won't see a Hi-Point complete a multiday course isn't because it would be laughed off the range. Oh sure, it will be laughed at, but if the user puts it away that just means he's insecure about his skills. I've seen plenty of odd pieces in class... some of them even finished, and many of them shut up people who made fun of them. My current favorite is a Kel Tec PF9 that was ringing gongs at 100 yards like a champ... The reason you won't see a Hi-point go through class is because by the time you get 300 rounds down range, much less 1,000, you'll throw the thing over the berm yourself.

Yes, a Hi-point does provide a firearm solution to people that can't afford better, but let's not pretend that makes a Yugo into a Mustang. It's still a cheap barely tolerable mess of a brick that should be traded up on the first chance a person gets.

 

[chris in va]

I've had two experiences with HiPoint...carbine and handgun. Neither were positive. At least the carbine was fun when it worked.

 

[PT92]

Please, if you want to try to take the discussion high brow, at least make sure you take care of the logic fallacies before posting. Your improper assumption here is that only people who could only afford a Hi-point would purchase one, ergo no one who purchases a Hi-point would be able to afford to go to a multiday course... The Hi-Point by default being a poor mans gun...

Which clearly explains why I have a half dozen Rough Rider revolvers... you know, because I could only afford $169 dollar revolvers.. bought six at a time...

Probably also explains the half dozen C9s too... oh wait..

Hang on...

Crap. Guess your argument just fell all apart didn't it. Most instructors I know have one or more hidden away somewhere. Most of those guys have completed [my] "serious multiday pistol course." Multiple times... Seriously, what's with the quotes you put around "serious multiday pistol course"? Some sort of disbelief in the existence of said courses?

I use C9s during parts of my classes for new shooters because they are rugged, simple and I won't care too much when a student breaks one.

That said, they are still horribly unergonomic, brickish, tend to slice users fingers up, have a trigger pull roughly similar to trying to build Legos with gloves on and in general are all around horrible pieces of garbage.

The reason you won't see a Hi-Point complete a multiday course isn't because it would be laughed off the range. Oh sure, it will be laughed at, but if the user puts it away that just means he's insecure about his skills. I've seen plenty of odd pieces in class... some of them even finished, and many of them shut up people who made fun of them. My current favorite is a Kel Tec PF9 that was ringing gongs at 100 yards like a champ... The reason you won't see a Hi-point go through class is because by the time you get 300 rounds down range, much less 1,000, you'll throw the thing over the berm yourself.

Yes, a Hi-point does provide a firearm solution to people that can't afford better, but let's not pretend that makes a Yugo into a Mustang. It's still a cheap barely tolerable mess of a brick that should be traded up on the first chance a person gets.

Click,

You do know that this post was not about the "integrity of the HP," or even the lack thereof, correct? Why no response to the core subject matter in the vid as to how a gun responds to extreme conditions? I don't get it? Instead we get, yet again, a diatribe on the gun (which can be found in K's of other threads and not a part of the post of which you have voluminously, albeit with multiple contradictions responded to)?

I say we just call it a day and move on so as not to waste others time (if you were nearby we'd have a beer and discuss until the sun comes up...).

 

[TimboKhan]

This thread has been contentious virtually from the beginning. Closed for what should be obvious reasons.