High Point or Beretta

[Dookie]

I have been contemplating getting the hi point for a truck rifle. But have also been looking at the Ruger PC9 and PC4.
With all the love people seem to have for their hi points I will probably end with that one.
The beretta is just to much out of my price range for a rifle I won't be shooting all that much and will end up being tossed around.

 

[41magsnub]

As others have said it is not really an apples to apples comparison due to the price. I have a HP with an ATI stock that is very reliable. I need to do some sanding on it though, it keeps breaking the plastic bases on magazines because I think the action is not sitting right. Works great with the factory storm trooper stock. I did have to sand the edges of the factory stock since they did not mate up right and I was getting what amounted to paper cuts.

 

[rondog]

I have a HP 4095 carbine, and bought a 995 for my grandson. They're both accurate, reliable and TONS of fun!

I'm not a gun snob, don't buy guns according to price and prestige, and I HATE the "you get what you pay for" attitude that seems to prevail amongst most gun snobs.

I'm after the fun & affordability factors, not a hunting or combat weapon or something to brag about, and the Hi-Point carbines fill that role very well for me. All I want now is more magazines for them.

I could also use the good sense to turn off the red-dot sights on them when I'm done, so I can quit killing the batteries.

 

[glassman]

Beretta

I found this one in the 'used rifle' rack at my local shop and paid less than $300 for it. It has a scratch on the barrel but otherwise is in perfect shape. I added the riser, scope and tripod after the sale. It's very solid and easy to break down for cleaning. It fits me well and is very accurate if I do my part.

 

[bonedust]

The problem with that analogy is that the Beretta really does not out perform the Hi Point unless you count the higher capacity mag. Otherwise then there is nothing that the Beretta does that the Hi Point cannot do just as well.

i challenge you to spend 3 days and 3k+ rounds in an AR-based training school with both guns and see if you feel the same. The analogy is pretty dead on. If your intention is to burn ammo, then yes, the HP will work. ive seen the High Points fail in horrible ways tho...

 

[lipadj46]

i challenge you to spend 3 days and 3k+ rounds in an AR-based training school with both guns and see if you feel the same.

Shouldn't you use an AR in an AR-based training school? I'm not sure anyone would seriously use either the CX4 storm or a 995 in a real CCW or assault type role, maybe in .45 caliber but the AR has put the pistol caliber carbines out to pasture. Again you seem to be the only person who has personally seen 2 995's go kaboom and maybe you would like to share the details. The Hi Points are cheaply made but the design actually seems pretty safe and reliable.

 

[SHusky57]

Shouldn't you use an AR in an AR-based training school? I'm not sure anyone would seriously use either the CX4 storm or a 995 in a real CCW or assault type role, maybe in .45 caliber but the AR has put the pistol caliber carbines out to pasture. Again you seem to be the only person who has personally seen 2 995's go kaboom and maybe you would like to share the details. The Hi Points are cheaply made but the design actually seems pretty safe and reliable.

Why is 9mm, 40 SW, and 45 ACP deemed inadequate for Close-quarters or assault? In a military capacity, it has limited uses. But in a military capacity, an AR is pretty limited considering M249 machine guns and M2 Bradley IFVs.

Now, for real police work or self-defense.... the 9mm has been employed and still is used by SAS for dispatching terrorist. The simple fact of the matter is that knockdown power is irrelevant when you shoot someone multiple times in vital spots at close range. The key factor is being able to skillfully place shots very quickly, amongst many other things. For those that hate the 9mm, the CX4 is also available in .40 and .45. Having a CX4 and a PX4 in 40, with (4) 17 round mags is quite a loadout (one in the CX4, one in the PX4, and two in a mag pouch).

The CX4 has many advantages over the HP.
1) Interchangeable with PX4 or 92/96 mags. I love the PX4 and am a huge fan of the 92/96. Having interchangeable mags is a definite bonus.
2) Ambidexterity. I am left handed. I don't like shooting autos because I tend to eat ejected shells all day long. The Beretta is completely reversible.
3) Comfort and ergonomics. The Beretta stock is just much more comfortable IMO.
4) Customization. With all the rails, it is very easy to slap on a red dot and light.
5) I once had a HP 9mm. I don't even want to talk about it.

 

[Titan6]

Honestly though the plastic that the Hi Point stock is made out of is ridiculous. You can feel it "give" just by squeezing it in your hand.

I fixed this by injecting the stock with expanding insulating foam.

Plastic stocks can be cheap and flexible but Hi Point really went above and beyond with that stock. Like someone else said before they really went out of their way to make a bad looking (and feeling) rifle.

This is really a price thing. I bet they don't pay more than $15 to make a stock and would be surprised if it is that much.

 

[Titan6]

Why is 9mm, 40 SW, and 45 ACP deemed inadequate for Close-quarters or assault? In a military capacity, it has limited uses. But in a military capacity, an AR is pretty limited considering M249 machine guns and M2 Bradley IFVs.

This is strange. I have yet to see any building clearing done with SAWs or Bradley's.

Still there is no reason for anyone to be a 9mm hater. Out of Carbine length barrel it puts out more than adequate energy to be a good stopper.

Also I have never heard of HiPoint Carbine blowing up. Any verifiable information on that would be great.

 

[lipadj46]

OK one more post and then I will stop beating this dead horse CX4 Storm = at least $600-700 (today's prices), Hi Point 995 = $175 (todays prices). IMO pistol caliber carbines are really only good for plinking around or for HD if you don't have a pistol. Maybe there are some tactical uses for a 9mm - 45 cal carbine but with the advent of body armor and the expansion of the AR platform it seems that most any time you see a SWAT team or military types doing house search they always have some sort of an AR.

So anyways yes obviously the Beretta is a better engineered rifle but if you just want a rifle to shoot around and have fun with buy the Hi Point and save for a real rifle (AR, M14, FAL, AK whatever) and nice pistol as the carbines are not replacements for either. Now if the CX4 was still available at $400 like it should be then maybe it would make more sense. But hey if you got the money and want to spend it then go for it.

And btw I am not a 9mm hater as I own a 995 but it is mainly for plinking and HD (I have an M1A for hunting and what not).