High Point V. Taurus

[The Night Rider]

This afternoon my wife told me that my grandson bought my daughter a handgun for Christmas.

ETA The gun has already been purchased. I will not be suggesting any gun to DD

She also told me that I need to keep my mouth shut and stay out of it.

I know the sale was legal because my daughter decided as long as she was filling out a 4473 she might as well get herself a .22 Rifle to murder rabbits on the Goat Ranch. Apparently, the rabbits are eating the chicken feed.

As I said DW told me I am to offer no opinions Period. So I asked her "Oh my God what did she do get a Taurus?"

DW said "Worse, it was a High Point."

To which I replied "High Points aren't worse. They're ugly as hell but they will shoot every time you pull the trigger."

Regardless of my opinion this was a gift from a son to his mother. I'm not getting in that. I don't care if he bought her a Jimenez. Actually I think I might say something if it was a Jimenez.

So that's the poll which would you pick Taurus or High Point? Both 9 mm

ETA DD works in a school that has campuses in 4 states. Her job involves lots of flying so I'm fairly certain she's not going to bother to get her permit. The gun will be strictly for home defense at the Goat Ranch

 

[ECVMatt]

High Point.

They are built like a tank and work.

To me they feel like a 2x4 in the hand.

 

[GRIZ22]

I own 3 Taurus 9mms. Taurus is light years ahead of Hi Point.

 

[someguy2800]

I don't have a use for a 3lb 9mm, so definitely Taurus for me if those are my only options. I have not really seen any negative first hand reviews of the current production taurus 9mm's.

 

[KevininPa]

High Point. As stated above, they go bang. I've had run-ins with Taurus.

 

[Styx]

A modern day Taurus. Highpoint are two big and heavy for what they are. People need to get over their bias against Taurus. Most are holding onto decades old grudges and the reputation Taurus had well over a decade ago. People seem to have issue with being objective.

Taurus makes some great reliable guns all in different sizes. I've owned 6 Taurus semiautos and 2 revolvers all from AFTER they were almost sued out of business pre PT111 G2, and I've NEVER had any problems. What I have had problems with were S&W M&P's and Ruger. Ruger especially should be rated E for everyone because everyone seemingly has a Ruger customer service story for one problem or another, but Ruger gets a pass. S&W gets a pass. Sig gets passes. I've seen multiple critical reliability and safety recalls with S&W, Ruger, Sig, Springfield Arms, Walther, Beretta, and even multiple separate unrelated cases where American L.E. had to send back their brand new problematic Glocks...

Women tend to want lighter, more compact, and good looking guns that fit their hand. They might even want to actually carry the gun one day. It's not going to do anyone any good to own a gun they don't want to shoot or carry. Taurus now comes in similar sizes and uses similar metals and finishes that Glocks, M&Ps, and other higher-end firearms use. Many also use Glock pattern sights. Taurus also has pretty good aftermarket support. No way I'd buy a woman a Hi Point as a gift over a Taurus. I'd buy the Taurus and and some ammo to verify that it's reliable.

 

[TTv2]

If it's 9mm, the choice comes down to intended use. If it's going to be carried, Taurus because the Hi Point is too chunky and heavy to be comfortable, but if it's for home defense in a nightstand the Taurus 92 would be just fine.

It's hard to recommend a 9mm Hi Point because it's just such a heavy, low capacity pistol, but they do work and work fine. I like the .45 Hi Point and I think if I ever got my hands on one, I'd like the 10mm as well.

 

[chicharrones]

I’ve actually spent my money on Taurus. I’ve never spent a dime on Hi-Point.

I’ll admit needing pocket sized guns, which Taurus makes. I don’t think Hi-Point makes anything that would fit in one of my pockets.

 

[Tallball]

Taurus - sort of weird, sort of cheap pistols that usually go bang

High Point - very weird, very cheap pistols that usually go bang

Them's the facts. Take yer pick.

 

[The Last Outlaw]

I voted Taurus, I’ve had a couple and didn’t have any issues. Never owned a Hi Point. Had a friend that had one of their carbines, it was ok but I like my Sub2k better. Saw a guy once with a Yeet Cannon at a range, funny looking gun.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

For home (ranch) protection, based on reputation and others' experience:
_ no pedigree (past history) on the gun, HI Point;
_ equal pedigree, Taurus.

 

[reddog81]

I have a Hi Point handgun and rifle that both work well and a Taurus 709 Slim that has surprised me from day one with how reliable it is for such a small gun. If I had to choose a handgun, I'd definitely go with the Taurus because it isn't a brick.

 

[Terry G]

Although my (three) Taurus TH45's were not reliable, I have had no trouble with the PT 92. 99, and G3 all in 9MM. The G3 is lighter of course, but recoil is not bad and it's accurate. Nothing against Hi Point. I once saw two Kimber .45's start getting repeat malfunction while that heavy, bulky Hi Point .45 never quit.

 

[lemaymiami]

Just bought a used Taurus 100 (40cal - copy of Beretta 96...) in stainless... and very pleased. Now I just need to learn to shoot it properly... It's been 30 years since I retired out of police work and quit carrying a sidearm. This won't be carried - but it will be close by whenever I'm on the road.

 

[maxxhavoc]

Sounds like they bought what they wanted to get with no preconcieved notions or snobbery involved. Hopefully it will do all they want and it will increase their appetite for more shooting.

I would have picked the Taurus, but you should commend your grandson on getting it in the first place. He did good.

I bought my daughter a Taurus and a PSA AR before she moved out. Luckily she hasn't needed either.

 

[Styx]

Okay, what 2 wise arses voted for the Cap Gun?

 

[Meeks36]

if it’s just for the house HI Point. Carry taurus. Put a lot of rounds through both before they are deemed worthy of self defense.

 

[The Night Rider]

Okay, what 2 wise arses voted for the Cap Gun?

I was one of them

 

[The Night Rider]

if it’s just for the house HI Point. Carry taurus. Put a lot of rounds through both before they are deemed worthy of self defense.

Put a lot of rounds through it =/= Taurus

 

[deerslayer303]

WELL , I voted for the Taurus. But I have all of the bottom of the barrel guns mentioned here. I just can't help myself when I see em I HAVE to buy em. The Hi Point C9 is like a ugly HEALTHY girl, she tries hard, but the ergonomics of the whole situation is just weird. The Taurus G2C, I have ZERO complaints, it is a great gun, fits, hits what I point it at, and it works. It has Lord only knows how many rounds through it, still trucking, the finish is trash and is mostly rubbed off, I just keep it oiled. Now who mentioned HHHHHHHJJJJmenez? yep I gots one of them too. The J380 or something I think is what its called, It does work, that's really all I can say.

 

[Styx]

Put a lot of rounds through it =/= Taurus

Your rhetoric just isn't supported by objective facts. 15 years ago, you might have had a point, but not in modern times. While I admittedly wouldn't buy a Taurus semiauto, that's only because I believe there are higher-tier semiauto double stacks in the Taurus semiauto price range, e.g., XD Mod 3, Beretta APX A1, Caniks, and the used market... I would buy their revolvers and .22 LR handguns, however.

Take the G3 for example:

1. The slide is made of alloy steel, which is generally stronger than stainless. There are aftermarket slides as well.
2. The slide finish is Tenifer in accordance with general industry standards.
3. The barrel is stainless like most other semiauto barrels. There are aftermarket barrels.
4. Their magazines, which are usually the main point of failure, are made by a reputable manufacturer, aka Mec-Gar.
5. Their dual RSA is metal, with several reputable manufacturers selling aftermarket alternatives.
6. The stock sights are serrated steel and compatible with the endless Glock pattern sights that are on the market.
7. There are dozens of 1,000-round problem-free reviews on YouTube. There are dozens of guys on TaurusArmed and other forums who have put several thousand through their examples.
8. Other than their new for 2021 Gx4, I haven't heard of there being any drop safety issues, the gun going off by itself, "voluntary upgrades," endless lawsuits, any non-ammo-related kabooms, or any recalls. They had a drop safe recall within a range of serial numbers with their Gx4's a couple of years after its release, but they got ahead of it. I haven't heard of anyone actually shooting themselves, nor could I find anyone who actually had an issue. Their G2 and G3 line of guns is a mature product that has long since gone through its teething issues.
9. Taurus is the second biggest importer of small arms into the United States. They sell more handguns in the U.S. than Beretta, CZ, Springfield Armory, FN, Colt, HK, Walther, and others. They sell hundreds of thousands of firearms a year, and I hear about anymore issues from Taurus than from other anointed handgun manufacturers. Most who own current lineups of Taurus handguns seems to love them. The ratio of complaints I've seen are extremely low in comparison to the number of firearms they manufacturer under the Taurus and other brands.

There's nothing to indicate that at least their G2, G3, 1911, and Beretta 92 clones won't hold up. I've heard good reviews about their other offerings, but I don't have any personal experience with them. My advice would to be not to directly or indirectly allow your bias to affect how your daughter feels about her new gun or your grandson about the gift he spent his money on. Buy a box of quality ammo, and go put some rounds down range with your daughter. Either the gun will work or it won't. If it doesn't prove to be reliable, then give her some suggestions.

 

[halfmoonclip]

I don’t think Hi-Point makes anything that would fit in one of my pockets.

I don't think Hi-Point makes anything that wouldn't require a belt, and suspenders, just to keep your pants up.
Have heard that the Hi-Points do work, but their design, weight, and ergos are just such an affront that I can't abide them.
The carbines actually have a decent reputation, (there is reputed an aftermarket stock that looks good), and the company could hire an industrial designer to revamp the design. The handguns are simply beyond redemption, appearance wise. There's not lipstick enough in the world to dress up that pig.
Moon

 

[Mark_Mark]

Both!

 

[Buckeye63]

I own a G3X and GX4 … actually great pistols… function perfectly…

 

[Mike J]

My experience is lacking. I owned one Taurus. It was a PT 111 G2. I strongly disliked the trigger. I sold it. I almost bought a Hi Point long ago just because it was cheap. The problem was I asked myself if I really wanted it & the answer was no.
If she likes it & it works I don't see a problem. I wouldn't think it would make a good carry pistol but I think it would be fine for home protection.