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Hillary just suggested the Australian buy-back model as worth looking at for the US

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  1. old lady new shooter

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    Maybe I should have titled this "The next time the Dems say they're not coming to take your guns..."

    Breitbart is reporting at http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-clinton-australia-gun-ban-worth-looking-u-s/ that at a town hall at Keene State College (New Hampshire) H responded "It would be worth looking at" to a question as to whether we could do an Australian-style gun buyback in the US. They have the video posted within the article. She compares it to the "cash for clunkers" program.

    As per usual anti scare tactics, she uses "handguns" and "automatic weapons" to mean the same thing. As a newbie I may simply be uniformed but I didn't think there is even such a thing as an automatic handgun.
     
  2. TruthTellers

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    Surprised that would go over in New Hampshire. That's a very pro gun state.

    Is this really a surprise to anyone that Hilary is in favor of Australian style gun laws where handguns are banned, semi-automatic rifles are banned, and even black powder revolvers are registered?
     
  3. JohnKSa

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    There are a few fully automatic handguns, but they are not very common in the U.S. In fact, they're not really very common at all.

    That said, it's generally acceptable to refer to a semi-automatic pistol (or self-loading pistol, if you prefer) as an "automatic" to distinguish it from another type of action. e.g. "Is that a revolver or an automatic?"
     
  4. OcelotZ3

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    I would say "both" because I have a semi-auto revolver...
     
  5. Kingcreek

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    I've got a couple clunkers I would sell them for enough cash.
    But they better keep their hands off the rest of them.
     
  6. Midwest

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    Except that in Australia they did the gun buyback under the threat of prison and high fines if people didn't cooperate. I wonder exactly how Hillary expects that happen here in the U.S.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/

    "The crucial fact they omit is that the buyback program was mandatory. Australia’s vaunted gun buyback program was in fact a sweeping program of gun confiscation."


    Is Hillary planning to send the Police and Federal troops to confiscate guns under a mandatory gun buy back, I wonder how well that will go...?

    Also http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/

    "Armed men would be dispatched to confiscate guns, they would be met by armed men, and blood would be shed. Australia is a valid example for America only if you are willing for that blood to be spilled in torrents and rivers. To choose Australia is to choose civil war."

    We are a nation of checks and balances in order to keep this sort of thing from happening. Perhaps Hillary has no clue about how our system of checks and balances differ from that of Australia?

    "Australia does not have a bill of rights, and that, ultimately, is the reason it was able to confiscate guns. Australians have no constitutional right to bear arms, so seizing their weapons did not violate their constitutional rights. Gun confiscation in the United States would require violating not only the Second Amendment, but the fourth and fifth as well, and possibly even the first."
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  7. Jim K

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    Since it is unlikely that such a program would get through Congress, I assume she would implement it by Executive Order, along with summary execution of those who fail to comply.

    Welcome to the Democrats' idea of "Land of the Free."

    Jim
     
  8. modifiedbrowning

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  9. minuteman1970

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    Well, at least her comments were recorded on video so she cannot deny having said she is for outright confiscation. Let's hope this wakes some complacent folks the heck up!
     
  10. nathan

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    This is pure commie push to disarm the people. This is no longer the subtle subliminals they like to hide. This is a clear sign the Globalist minions like Hillary is intend on taking away the inherent right to keep and bear arms. Once it s done under political correctless, and the people herded to prison camps, then they would start to ask themselves , How the heck did this happen?! And it would be too late....
     
  11. Slamfire

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    I do not know if Australia compensated gun owners full retail, full value, or cheated them, as what I expect out of our bunch of gun banners. While I would prefer a "buy back" to confiscation, I am of the opinion that any buy back program would compensate a gun owner $50.00 for a $2,000 weapon.

    Hey maybe they will give gun owners two books of Green Stamps.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&H_Green_Stamps But since Green Stamps went out of business back in the 80's, gunowners would not be able to do anything with them.
     
  12. Barry the Bear

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    Many people wouldn't comply and as the op stated there would most likely be armed resistance against any federal attempt to confiscate weapons from the hands of the American public.
     
  13. Walkalong

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    It's not a buy back if it is mandatory, it is simply confiscation. So one gets partial compensation, it's still confiscation, and would only be the beginning.

    As you suspect, the "compensation" would be closer to nothing than full value. They would lie about that as well when pushing the "buy back".
     
  14. kwguy

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    Wow. She really did say that in her "outside voice"! And there are actually people in this country that think it's a good idea, which is truly, yet sadly, amazing. I can't believe there are some who might actually go for it, if they got a "fair price" for their guns, who might now consider themselves pro-2a.

    Just as an aside, a quick run of the numbers for let's say, 200 million guns (barring those bolt actions and pumps, etc), at a thousand bucks apiece average, that would cost about 200-300 billion dollars. What a great use of tax dollars...
     
  15. M-Cameron

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    a thousand bucks a piece?.....they are likely going to give you a $25 gift card to target as compensation.....if you are lucky....
     
  16. kwguy

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    Oh, I don't doubt that they'll try, but just really trying to point out that it's a waste of money.
     
  17. Carl N. Brown

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    The Australian government called on all registered owners of the type of guns used in the Port Arthur Shooting to turn their guns in for fair compensation.

    For the Australian style program to work,
    (a) you would need a registration list to be able to send out a "turn'em in" call, and
    (b) you would need the funds to pay a fair market price for the guns.

    We do not have national gun regustration.
    The Australian government raised a special tax to pay for the buyback.
    Most gun owners used the buyback money to buy new guns of non-prohibited types (lever action shotguns to replace pumps, Lee Enfields to replace Ruger 10/22s, for example)

    Anti-gunners in the US have already said when questions were raised about funding "buying back" millions of semi-auto military guns in civilian hands, once their government declares them contraband, they are not going to pay compensation to people owning contraband.

    Remember: the legislative justification for federal gun control, as pointed on in Miller 1939, is the Harrison Narcotics Act.

    Compare it to the "cash for clunkers" Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS) 2009 -- another wasteful program like the Aussie buy-back.:banghead:
     
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  18. Bang!

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    Get used to it. She's the next president.
     
  19. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Ha! I'd love to see her sell the public service unions on that idea.
     
  20. kwguy

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    After seeing the pushback after S.H., and the attempted 855 ban, I can only IMAGINE what would happen if this was attempted. But, of course, if we have a congress that will support her, we would be in trouble. We HAVE to keep pro 2a representatives in the majority in congress, if not in the Oval Office. It's really congress, and the committees, that have legislative power. That's the ONLY reason we don't have it worse than we do now.
     
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    The reality is she most likely made the comparison out of ignorance. It is likely that she doesnt actually know what the australian "buyback" entailed. In the same way she didnt know that domestic abusers are already prohibited from owning guns.
     
  22. entropy

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    That's just as dangerous as her knowing those things. Indeed, someone whose been where she has should know such things. I've had enough of willfully ignorant presidents. Not that having an incumbent whose personal mission is to destroy America is better.:cuss:
     
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    You know she'snot even top rated in the polls, right? You know she may not even get the nomination, right? You know it's this exact defeatist attitude from people who claim to support the 2A that will be it's undoing, right?

    I'm not usually one to tell people directly to grow a pair and stand up for their rights, but in this case I'll make an exception.
     
  24. 50 Shooter

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    People need to relax, she's nothing and had pissed off a lot of people.

    I don't think she would want another civil war or in her case a Revolution! If you want to see it all unfold go ahead and keep telling people that she's the next president.

    Personally, I don't see it happening in her lifetime as she just doesn't bring anything that enough people like.
     
  25. TruthTellers

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    Is this what happened in Australia in the 90's? Gun owners were forced to sell their guns to the gov't for way less than their true value?
     
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