stonewall308
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I had no idea about any of this. I no longer have any interest in the HK brand. Thanks.
HK: Because we hate you
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never_retreat
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Not let other peoples negativity effect you. I you like the gun buy it.
TexasRifleman
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Don't get too caught up in all of it.
The deal where HK had other guns destroyed makes everyone mad no doubt, but it's pretty commonly done in many industries.
If you are taking X product in on trade for your new product Y, you want to make sure that the old X product doesn't get resold onto the used market, potentially hurting your future sales.
It's business. Sure it sucks to see a bunch of guns destroyed but you gotta be silly to think that HK is the only company that's ever done that.
TEDDY
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I dont understand this love with foreign guns.are you trying to destroy american arms factories.I love my 1911s,I like my WW2 browning hi-power,and I love my Smiths,and rugers.
we are loseing our gun manufactuures to foreign investers.REM/marlin/H&R,Win,Savage.is the foreign so much better.look what happened to S&W when it was owned by Thompson ind of england.the military uses foreign rifles pistols and machine guns.what the H**l is wrong with america.the new mg looks much like a 1919.and the 1911 could have been made in double stack and in 9 mm.the m16 would be good jungle rifle,and the m14 for open warfare.now we go back and refurbish m14s.we sold the machinery to korea the M1 to Italy.gott help us for being so stupid.
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I dont understand this love with foreign guns.are you trying to destroy american arms factories.I love my 1911s,I like my WW2 browning hi-power,and I love my Smiths,and rugers.
we are loseing our gun manufactuures to foreign investers.REM/marlin/H&R,Win,Savage.is the foreign so much better.look what happened to S&W when it was owned by Thompson ind of england.the military uses foreign rifles pistols and machine guns.what the H**l is wrong with america.the new mg looks much like a 1919.and the 1911 could have been made in double stack and in 9 mm.the m16 would be good jungle rifle,and the m14 for open warfare.now we go back and refurbish m14s.we sold the machinery to korea the M1 to Italy.gott help us for being so stupid.
:banghead:TexasRifleman
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Interesting. For all the HK hate I don't remember them putting locks on their guns or limiting us to 10 round magazines like the 2 you've listed here.
HSSSS it burns my ears!
Bill Ruger said:
Bill Ruger said:
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/papabill.htmlBill Ruger said:
this goes above and beyond "we dont see a market" or "we dont want the hassle" of HK.
this goes straight to one of two things, a slimy attempt to protect the market for Ruger revolvers and low cap handguns. or worst his honest opinion of our rights as citizens
mgregg85
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You'vegottastartusingthatspacebar.
j1979
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Im gonna go out on a limb here and say I love my HK P30 and wouldnt want any other 9mm poly frame handgun, or any other polymer for that matter. Of course this will be my only polymer in my future collection, I like all steel best. Gotta have one poly though.
SouthpawShootr
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I don't particularly care for HK. The 5 in my collection are all that I want and nothing about them (neither the current offerings nor stories of peoples dealings with HK CS) inspires me to acquire more.
I got a laugh out of this one:
and this one:
I just had an experience with Dell last week. A woman with a heavily accented voice called me at work and asked if I was satisfied with the computer I bought last year and if I wanted to buy and extended warranty. Her accent was so bad I had to stop her several times and ask her to repeat what she said. I said not interested and she got mad!
Oh well, next time I buy a computer, I'll buy from somebody else.
I got a laugh out of this one:
and this one:
I just had an experience with Dell last week. A woman with a heavily accented voice called me at work and asked if I was satisfied with the computer I bought last year and if I wanted to buy and extended warranty. Her accent was so bad I had to stop her several times and ask her to repeat what she said. I said not interested and she got mad!
Oh well, next time I buy a computer, I'll buy from somebody else.
NonConformist
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Good point Hoppy...i wont own a Ruger because of that though i will give SW some credit, they are once again American owned(they were britsh owned during that bit) and the owner has been trying hard to geve them a good anme again
I think companies can change their positions, but I think it is highly unlikely. Ruger, in my opinion, is changing in a favorable stance. They are now offering 20 round mags with mini-14s and the sr9 has a mag capacity of 17. Also ruger is offering anyone who has bought an sr9 before the recall free services and an extra mag to go with. I think they are trying to make things right (I could be wrong though)
One more thing, Bill Ruger isn't there anymore.
One more thing, Bill Ruger isn't there anymore.
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atblis
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I think Ruger finally saw the light. Green colored light.
NonConformist
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When ruger sells 20 rounders on their sight for the thir minis Ill believe it, until then its lip service
The Annoyed Man
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I have a USP Compact, and it's a pretty good pistol (but not as good as my Kimber). But my problem is that I'm left handed, and for a year and a half now, I've been unable to obtain an ambidextrous safety for the USP. H&K Germany just hasn't been shipping parts for the civilian market, apparently. I'll never buy another H&K product for that reason. You can't get parts for them when you need 'em. Probably 10% of their market is left handed, but they don't give a damn about us. Consequently, I don't give a damn about them.
TexasRifleman
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You sure he's not there?
Here is a link to Ruger's website showing all magazines for sale.
Maybe I'm just missing it? Don't think so......
Nothing more than 5 rounds for the Mini, even now.
Same old BS.
http://ruger.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10051&categoryId=11972&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=19056&lastCatId=19056&faNav=y
As mentioned S&W is getting thier act together since they ceased to be owned by the British.
http://ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5835&return=Y
All of the NRA mini-14 models are shipped with 2 (20) round magazines unless your state law says otherwise.
Most American companies have ceased trying to appease the antis. Some due to new ownership, and others because they realized it was a losing game. Everyime they gave an inch another mile was proposed in legislation and new required features. "Reasonable restrictions" never had and end in sight, and if they met one two new ones were proposed, and the existing ones were permanent.
They realized they would be making really expensive (to make) firearms with dozens of unnecessary features to a shrinking market forbidden from more and more firearm types unless they took a stand.
15 years ago they were falling over themselves to be the first to appease an anti requirement and sell thier model before the competition. Now the internet is mainstream, much of the community purchases based on thier stances, they can hear America speak, and they are singing a whole different tune.
Many American companies are seeing the light.
A lot more than you can say for H&K.
Ruger does sell 20 round magazines with the NRA Mini-14 to states they can be shipped to, read the grey fine print on this:
http://ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5835&return=Y
All of the NRA mini-14 models are shipped with 2 (20) round magazines unless your state law says otherwise.
Most American companies have ceased trying to appease the antis. Some due to new ownership, and others because they realized it was a losing game. Everyime they gave an inch another mile was proposed in legislation and new required features. "Reasonable restrictions" never had and end in sight, and if they met one two new ones were proposed, and the existing ones were permanent.
They realized they would be making really expensive (to make) firearms with dozens of unnecessary features to a shrinking market forbidden from more and more firearm types unless they took a stand.
15 years ago they were falling over themselves to be the first to appease an anti requirement and sell thier model before the competition. Now the internet is mainstream, much of the community purchases based on thier stances, they can hear America speak, and they are singing a whole different tune.
Many American companies are seeing the light.
A lot more than you can say for H&K.
i honestly wasn't trying to start a hate thread. Its just the phrase sounds like it could have had a funny story behind it.
I could just hear a long conversation b/w an unhappy gun-owner and a disgruntled customer service rep (of any company) going in circles over something, until finally the gun-owner says "well why are you selling guns w/ faulty firing pins etc, why is this gun a piece of junk, etc"until the situation climaxes and the rep exclaims "because you suck, and we hate you"
I could just hear a long conversation b/w an unhappy gun-owner and a disgruntled customer service rep (of any company) going in circles over something, until finally the gun-owner says "well why are you selling guns w/ faulty firing pins etc, why is this gun a piece of junk, etc"until the situation climaxes and the rep exclaims "because you suck, and we hate you"
proud2deviate
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I don't think this is the kind of "hate" thread they're talking about. A while back, someone started a thread with a title to the effect of "Why all the Glock hate?" (not sure if Glock came first. . .) This was followed by "Why all the 1911 hate?", along with separate threads for Sig, Lorcin, and Jennings. Search threads from April, 2005, and you'll see them.
TexasRifleman
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This thread is about why HK hates US, not why we hate them
MachIVshooter
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My USP 45 had 10 rounders and an ILS.
I, too, had bought into the HK mystique when I was younger. Once I had given $830 for one and then actually shot it and found it to be less accurate than my Colts and no more ergonomic than a Glock, I sold it to fund a S&W 1006 and never looked back.
HK's arrogance aside, the guns are really rather unspectacular and certainly not worth the premium price tag they sit on the shelves with. The USP/P2000/HK45 should be $500 guns right along side the S&W M&P and Springfield XD. The HK-91, perhaps in the $1,800-$2,000 range with the Armalite AR-10T that shoots better and doesn't destroy brass.
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