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Hk Usp Breaking!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by The Dutchman, Apr 9, 2005.

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  1. The Dutchman

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    I just back from the shooting range with my HK USP 45. When I was there I asked the main tactical shooter what he thought of HK USP's mainly because I am very proud of my gun. Be sure this guy was actually pretty nice compared to the guys at the LAX range :mad: . He told me that HK USP's are overpriced pieces of sh*t. I was shocked by his answer. He also said that whenever he sells them within months they break. I asked him what he shot and he said 1911's. Be sure I am a huge fan of 1911's. Thats the handgun my WW2 veteran grandpa first taught me to shoot with and I have been shooting them ever since I was 9. I am 21 now and I wanted a more modern handgun. I purchased the USP 45 on my 21st birthday after spending a lot of time and money testing handguns including many Kimber's. I know the USP will never ever be the handgun the 1911 is. But now I wanted to ask everyone out there if you have heard anything like this before, because I haven't. I am not upset if people tell me the truth but of all the years I have been reading about USP's this is the first time I have heard something like this.
     
  2. Archie

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    Hey, Dutch...

    How many rounds do you currently have through your pistol? How old is it? Is it broke?

    I have a USP40, about six years old now. I don't shoot it a lot these days, but the first year or so I must have put 600-700 round down it. It ain't broke yet.

    I question the authority of a "...main tactical shooter..." who seems to be a salesman. Just my own bias.
     
  3. boofus

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    My H&K's must be defective. My Mark 23 hasn't had a single FTE, FTF, or failure to cycle, even when gunked out with carbon, grime, and suppressor coolant. No one told me it was supposed to break 2 years ago. :eek:

    Come to think of it, never had any problems with ANY of my H&Ks. Not even the 20 year old New Jersey police P7M8 I used to carry. Or the 8 year old USP Tactical I carry now.

    Either he is full of crap, or he is selling USPs exclusively to WWF pro-wrestlers, football linemen, and that gorilla from the samsonite luggage commercials.
     
  4. The Dutchman

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    Thanks guys, My usp is still very young.......less than a month old and roughly 100 rounds have been passed through it with only one load jam.
     
  5. Cawdor

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    Crapola. My USP40 must have 4 or 5 thousand through it at least and it's the most reliable handgun I've ever used or even heard of. I think I've had two failures in the whole time I've owned it and both were very obviously ammo-induced. And that with me putting off cleaning it like I was going to the dentist.

    The USP quietly lives up to the reliability that the Glock claims.

    The only weak point in the design I know of is that they have a tendency to break firing pins if dry fired extensively without a snap cap in place.

    - Gabe
     
  7. cslinger

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    Well they are indeed overpriced but other than that he is full of it.

    My guess is he had a bad experience with a HK and is now soured on the brand.

    I personally will never own a Kel Tec due to personal experience. Course I won't say the entire brands sucks because there sure are lots of folks who love them.

    Chris
     
  8. SouthpawShootr

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    Don't trouble yourself with what someone else thinks of your gun. I find USPs very well made. They're over priced. Customer service could be improved. But the quality is there, no doubt about it.
     
  9. Onmilo

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    Yeah, H&K pistols are so crappy that they have consistantly EXCEEDED the standards of reliability & accuracy test that was required for the 1911 pistol.

    Heck I love 1911 pistols but reality is reality and H&K handguns are darn good.
     
  10. P0832177

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    If that is true, then there is something wrong with my USP. I shoot one ragged hole at 50ft. Gee, oh let me think. The gun is 4 years old. It has 20K down the tube! And, it has been through 3 handgun courses, one shotgun course, and a carbine course! Oh, I forgot the only malfunctions have been induced by dummy rounds loaded into mags by the instructor or myself for practice purposes. The magazine springs have all been replaced with Wolff's. The gun is champ! So what if the trigger can not be tuned! It is service pistol, not a race gun!

    Then there is the little brother, that has about half that many rounds down the tube! It is like the energizer bunny!

    Quit worrying and start shooting!
     
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    Man people like that piss me off!!! :cuss:

    My USP45 tactical and USP40 stainless have been perfect.
     
  12. stealthmode

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    how did the guy say the USP's broke was it some internal part breaking or some catastrophic failure, the ejector chip, or sights come loose? you should provide examples of how the guy says the guns are supposed to break if he gave them to you or you should of asked for examples from him. the only problem i have with my USP is that the grip frame walls are a little thin.
     
  13. George Hill

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    That guy is an idiot.
     
  14. larryw

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    I have no doubt what he says is true. An expert like that doesn't need to read the instructions that came with the gun or the bright orange sitcker on the grip, and he probably racked the slide with the lock engaged.

    The USP isn't 100% idiot proof (about as close as a gun can be from a mechanical sense, but not 100%)...even I haven't been able to break either example in my safes.

    Maybe he's getting HK and Glock confused? :neener: <ducking for cover>
     
  15. The Dutchman

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    The guy there basically said that the HK USP's he sells end up have some sort of catatrophic internal failure due to bad engineering within months. And that they always get Glocks afterwards because they are a better made guns or 1911's because of their inherent simplicity.
     
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    H&K

    H&k's are excellent combat pistols, owned 2 so far. A full sized model and a compact. But were utterly reliable and accurate from the factory. They are just as good as most 1911 style weapons. If they EVER come out with a USP chambered in 10mm that would be as close to nirvana for a handgun as one could get!

    As far as your "tactical" friend goes, just put him on your ignore list... ;)

    12-34hom
     
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    He showed you the lack of depth of his knowledge. He probably followed it up by saying if it ain't no 1911 it ain't no real dern gun.

    Take whatever he says with a severe dose of reality.
     
  18. cosmonick

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    Now larryw, I love my G35, so be careful :)

    Dutchman,
    Like everyone has said, HK USP is an excellent pistol. My younger brother has had one for about 5 years. He is very rough on his firearms (which has left me wanting to rescue his USP) and he has never had a single faliure of any kind. I think this pistol has only been cleaned a few times, ever.

    Mo
     
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    2 USPs, a full size 9mm and a compact .45. Roughly 2000 rounds between them and no malfunctions. My HKs must be from the same batch that boofus got his from. Ignore the mall-ninja and go with what works for you.
     
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    Lots of folks sending out their USP's to gunsmiths for "reliability packages", but not their 1911's. Wait... is it the other way around? :D
     
  21. Mikul

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    I have lost count of the number of rounds through my USP, but it's certainly over 35,000 rounds. I have had two parts break (firing pin and recoil spring washer), but nothing broke on the gun for the first 25,000 rounds. With that high of a round count on any gun, things will eventually break.

    1911's have problems inherent in their design that USPs do not (feed ramp geometry and that silly grip safety). They are very picky about their ammunition due to the steep feed ramp (it's more of a wall than a ramp), and they are very picky with their magazines. The magazine issue is a PITA because you can't just buy "good" magazines. While a Wilson or Chip McCormick mag will feed one 1911 through mud and snow, it can cause constant feeding problems is another. 1911's also eat recoil springs. The suggested change frequency is 3,000 rounds. I have NEVER changed the recoil spring (or any other spring) in my USP.

    A 1911 can be a fine firearm once you learn what it likes, but it has a bunch of problems that need to be overcome than don't exist in the USP.
     
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    I don't have an opinion on the USP other than to say I never warmed up to my .45 USPc and sold it off, but the "problems" of the 1911 on this thread are vastly overstated.

    So don't let anyone hurt your feelings by calling your USP an overpriced POS, an ergonomic nightmare, a wannabe's tool, or a paper tiger. If you like it, shoot it and keep it. However, going on about how a 1911 won't feed, that they all need reliability packages, etc., is just a display of ignorance to the other extreme.

    Do some 1911s have functioning problems? Yes, how could they not given that they are made by everyone from those using aerospace tolerances, to indifferently cast framed third world eyeballing, and every manufacturing process inbetween?

    To go from the hugely varying production qualities onto saying that every 1911 needs work out of the box is just as big a stretch as saying all HKs are crap.
     
  23. rick_reno

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    My USP compact in 45 acp has between 6000 and 7000 rounds thru it - and it's one of two 45's I own to have never experienced a failure to feed, fire and eject. It's also never broken. The other 45 to run perfectly is my Les Baer. I also have Glocks, Sigs, Colts and Kimbers - all have malfunctioned.
     
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    Don't have much experience with HK but I have heard that the barrels don't stand up well. Other than that I heard they are a great gun.
     
  25. Lobotomy Boy

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    Dutchman, I think this dude was yanking your chain. I don't care for the USP because it doesn't fit my hand, but that is my problem and not the gun's. The HK USP is without doubt one of the best built guns available.
     
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