HK93 is pretty nice!

[Greg Bell]

I finally got a chance to blast away with my 93 today. I noticed a few things:

1. Good sights/accuracy/pointability. For me, this is a very natural pointing gun. I was able to get excellent groups first time out. And I'm not much of a rifle guy.

2. Very sturdy. This whole gun screams tough. Overall, and I know I'll get flames for this, it has to be the sturdiest battle/assault rifle I have ever toyed with. Just looking at ar-15 mags vs. 93 mags is a good example. Maybe the HK is overbuilt? It isn't like I am seeing a lot of HK 33/93s in combat.

3. I actually have no problem with the mag release. But I'm sure the paddle would be better.

4. The trigger is too heavy. Probably not a problem is frozen western European battlefields, but it sucks at a 90 degree range. That said, the trigger isn't bad, it is just heavy. Now my Mauser, that is a bad trigger.

5. It is fairly well balanced. I've read a lot of complaints about it being forward heavy, but it seems pretty nice to me. But, again, I don't have a lot of experience in this arena.

6. The thing is just neat.

GHB

 

[Dave Markowitz]

I'm jealous.

Got any pics?

 

[4v50 Gary]

Put a collaspable stock on it with the slimline forearm & then a couple of 40 round magazines. Ohhhh. Super nice.

BTW, I've got numerous 40 rounders, six 25 rounders and one 20 rounder (and perhaps one five rounder) for mine.

 

[Destructo6]

I can't stand the slimline forearm. It is like trying to grip a pencil.

The HK-93 is overbuilt. A buddy of mine used to complain about his HK-93, in that he was carrying 7.62Nato weight, but only shooting 5.56.

 

[Beav]

Ok I've heard the 33/93 weight thing before. I don't have any experience with one but according to HKPRO a 33/93 weighs 8.4 lbs. Looking around at several 20" AR15s, the weight appears to be pretty comparable. Several weight the same, some are about a half pound lighter. Is that half pound that big of a difference? Is this more about the way a 33/93 balances?

I'm interested because I plan on buying a 33 clone fairly soon.

 

[Nightcrawler]

Here's the thing. The 20" ARs are heavier because they're made with heavy barrels. (Heavier than the M16A2-A4 barrels). That adds a lot of weight. A DPMS Panther 20" weighs like 9lbs.

The HK93 weighs more becuase it's got more steel in it than an alloy receivered AR clone.

8.5lbs isn't bad for a rifle. Heck, my FAL weighs 10.

 

[Tamara]

Greg,

Is this your first HK longarm?

 

[Greg Bell]

1. Yeah, I think the weight isn't that bad for a very solid 17 + inch .223.
2. I got a collapsable stock and slim-line forearm as part of the deal! I like the looks of the "target" for-end better. Further, it came with a bipod, which only seems to work with the fat forend.
3. I guess I could cut it to 33k length, put on the slim for-end, and get the plastic lower if I wanted to lighten it. But frankly, I'm a fairly stout guy so the 8.5 lbs isn't a big deal at all. And it isn't like I am marching with it or anything.
4. Plus, I think the weight is a big part of why it is such a smooth shooter. It feels like a noisy air-rifle with a little sass.
5. Tamara. Yeah, this is really my first HK rifle. Although, my old roommate Bill had a HK 91 that I got to play with quite often. So, I am pretty familiar with the format.

GHB

 

[Greg Bell]

Here is a pic. The P7 in the pic is my real baby!

 

[Gordon]

The target forearm and the collapsabile stock are nice. The factory light bipod only works with the wide stock. I have a .22lr sub caliber factory kit that is slick and has 20 round mags! The hensoldt 4x scope with integral mount is real slick for non cqb work. I humped a 93 with collapsabile stock and hendsoldt surplus scope around on the side of my Back pack on wilderness adventures from 85-91. I would carry 4 mags with 35 rounds in each for my ammo supply. Total up gun & ammo weight under 11 pounds which brought my pack weight to 60lbs. I turned 45 and after that couldn't do it anymore and it wasn't PC to go thus armed in California

 

[Feanaro]

Nice rifle Greg. I've always liked the G3/91/93 line. My heart lies with the '91 though. Small cartridges just don't "click" for me. I pray for your shoulder if you use the collapsing stock though.

I can't stand the slimline forearm. It is like trying to grip a pencil.

Couldn't agree more. Blasted CETME won't take a wide forearm without Dremeling though.

 

[firearms_instructor]

SWEET!

I love the HK rifles. Tough and reliable as bricks. The only military rifles I know of that have free-floating barrels as issued to the military. The sights are very sturdy and work well.

The stock triggers on the HK rifles are the biggest pitfall of this system, IMHO. I recommend Denny Williams as the trigger job expert on these rifles: http://www.soldierstuff.com/wts/, he does a GREAT job and stands by his work. A guy at a gun shop told me the HK rifle triggers were so heavy due to German military specs requiring that the loaded rifle withstand a drop (from 30 meters?) without discharging, dunno if that's true or not. I had him do his standard trigger job on mine and it made a world of difference. I only had to send the trigger group, not the entire receiver, another advantage of the HK modular system.

http://www.taclatch.com/ sells a paddle style mag release that works well and allows easy left-handed mag changes. I'm very happy with mine.

I used to compete in an IPSC-style rifle shoot with my HK91, and I never had ANY weapons-related malfunction (I've put at least 3K rounds through it). Most of the guys shot with ARs, and one or two shot with AKs, and the AR shooters had numerous jams and malfunctions that the AK shooters and I never had.

Enjoy!

 

[doctorhumbert]

Greg, did you buy this from GunsAmerica? I was looking into one for sale from Georgia.
Anway, if you think trigger is too heavy, try Williams Trigger ($60) work. They even have PSG-1 Trigger you can use on HK93 with .223 ejector and hammer ($$$).

If it has no claw marks, think twice about putting a claw scope mount on.