Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Hoarding is getting to me!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by exbrit49, Jan 28, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. larryh1108

    larryh1108 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,424
    Location:
    NC
    There is a difference between being prepared and hoarding.

    Being prepared: Buying 3, shooting 1 for years. Stocking up on sales while shooting less than you buy. Knowing upcoming events (elections, etc) and buying ahead. Being prepared, if you can afford it, is smart and saves you a lot of money and you aren't in the cold when a shortage occurs.

    Hoarding: Being prepared as mentioned above but when a short-term crisis arises they go out and clean off the shelves because they can. They may have a year's supply on hand or 10 years but they don't care about the new guy or the guy who couldn't afford to stock up in any quantity. Hoarders are me first and screw you if you weren't prepared. They could leave some for other shooters but they don't. They only care about themselves.
     
  2. Russ Jackson

    Russ Jackson member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2009
    Messages:
    564
    Sell some of your reloads at an inflated price to compensate for the high price of 22 cal. Or trade.
     
  3. Hacker15E

    Hacker15E Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2005
    Messages:
    1,512
    Location:
    Vegas
    When did being prepared become such a bad thing?

    Seems only to be the feeling amongst people who aren't prepared themselves.
     
  4. ccsniper

    ccsniper member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2008
    Messages:
    1,621
    Location:
    midwest Arkansas
    this. When I buy ammo, I buy two boxes, one for keepin one for plinkin. You should do the same. Buy it when its cheap, or regret it when its not.
     
  5. 45_auto

    45_auto Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    2,168
    Location:
    Southern Louisiana
    Was it your your crystal ball or your Ouija board that told you that this is a "short-term" crisis?

    What is the end date, if you don't mind sharing it with those of us who are not as omnipotent as you?

    Are you aware of any of the laws that are currently proposed, or have been passed in the case of New York? What does your crystal ball say that the price of ammo is going to do since every purchase has to go through an FFL?

    Interesting viewpoint. I shouldn't buy a Corvette because you can't afford one? I shouldn't have purchased gold when it was $300 per ounce because you didn't want any?
     
  6. pockets

    pockets Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    1,134
    Location:
    in my own little world
    I stocked up.....I DO NOT HOARD.
    As has been said, there is a big difference between 'hoarding' and simply 'preparing'.
    With .22LR; I know I am going to shoot the stuff someday, I know it'll never get cheaper than it was a few years ago, and I know it'll be fresh far longer than I will.
    Over the years I would buy bricks of my favorite brands of .22LR whenever they were on sale. And whenever in Walmart, I'd buy a few 100-packs of CCI Miini-Mags.

    However.....in the time it took to type this, I could have found bricks of .22LR online and bought it already.
    .
     
  7. JRWhit

    JRWhit Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2012
    Messages:
    971
    Location:
    MO
    I don't think comments by Exbrit where aimed at regular shooters though a lot of people feel stepped on here. I share some of his frustrations. Mine are not with regular participators of the shooting sport. The frustration lies with the people who may nearly never, or in some cases never, have been a regular shooter who now senselessly feel the need to buy up every last box of ammo they can possibly find on the shelf. It makes me wonder how many people out there have have multiple boxes of ammo in which they don't even have a firearm that shoots. This makes it frustrating for regulars when their cycle gets interrupted by a mad dash, by people who normally have nothing to do with shooting, to own the most. Doesn't mean I think any manufacturer or retailer should regulate it, just to say, I see it as unfortunate. I believe firmly in the idea of a free people to self regulate. Such is the example of all the people in this forum who have offered Exbrit some of there own. Many shooters keep a healthy supply of stock all the time, and that's not the cause of frustration. The cause are the ones with little to do with shooting and feel the need to buy up every last box of anything without a rhyme or reason.
     
  8. larryh1108

    larryh1108 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,424
    Location:
    NC
    How many short-term shortages have we had in the last 10-20 years? Did I miss legislation banning the sale of ammo or an ammo tax? NYS has their issues but this is nationwide, not just NYS. My crystal ball says it will pass like all the other ones have passed. It happened last time Obama was elected and it happened this time. Crystal ball? Yeah, sure. We've also had other mass shootings. As tragic as they are, the panic buying lasts short term. What happened this time to say we won't get back to a norm?

    You can go buy your Corvette. Buy them all if you wish. What does that have to do with being able to afford ammo? So, when we have the next gas crunch, go out and buy every Corvette you can because you can. I am happy for you. Nice analogy, yep.
     
  9. BSA1

    BSA1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,321
    Location:
    West of the Big Muddy, East of the Rockies and Nor
    I wrote long replies to posts #1 and #26 but then realize I was just feeding into their ranting and name calling.

    It is sad to see THR members start name calling and pointing the blame at someone simply because they have more than them.
     
  10. larryh1108

    larryh1108 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,424
    Location:
    NC
    If you understand what is being said, it's not that someone has more than another. It is when in times of uncertainty, some people clean off the shelves and leave nothing for the others. Why do people continue to say it's about having more when it's about not being considerate of others when the chances are you will not come close to running out of ammo once the crisis passes. If there was a permanent ban on ammo sales then that is a different story. We're talking about another mini-crisis that will pass in time. Huge difference.
     
  11. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    8,577
    Location:
    Down East in NC
    The problem, then, is that other people want that .22LR more than you do, and are willing to pay more for it. That's the law of supply and demand.

    .22LR is no longer priced for a low-demand, abundant-supply market because we are no longer in that market. The new prices reflect current market conditions, and those conditions are not likely to change for a while.
     
  12. TIMC

    TIMC Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    2,799
    Location:
    Texas
    I'm a horder I guess and you are quite welcome. We all make choices in life and 8 weeks ammo supply was a bad choice. I am happy with nothing to really say about the current situation except for it will pass and I am stocked up well enough to make it through. That was a good choice, see how it works?
     
  13. 45_auto

    45_auto Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2011
    Messages:
    2,168
    Location:
    Southern Louisiana
    The ATF was taking comments on proposed additional ammo restrictions through the end of 2012. I haven't heard anything on the outcome from those yet.

    http://www.ammoland.com/2012/12/batfe-taking-comments-on-a-pending-ban-ammo/#axzz2JNZhnzNr

    How much time will it be before your "mini-crisis" passes? What if there is a Sandy Hook copy-cat shooting next week? There's going to be another tragedy sooner or later, no way you can stop crazy. The only questions are how long it will be before it happens and what useless laws will be passed in response?

    It's very possible that the current prices and availability are the best conditions for buying ammo you'll ever see in your lifetime. Apparently a lot of people think that way, that's what's keeping prices up and availability down.
     
  14. JustinJ

    JustinJ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2011
    Messages:
    4,046
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    I think it reflects negatively on us(the gun community) that many are so paranoid as to think .22 lr will be banned.
     
  15. Queen_of_Thunder

    Queen_of_Thunder member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2012
    Messages:
    1,881
    Location:
    Where God purifies the soul. The West Texas desert
    I paid 50 cents a round for 45acp yesterday. Simply outrageous but 3 years from now I will be wishing to I could buy it at that price.

    Buy now because we will be going through this again.
     
  16. nathan

    nathan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    5,067
    No time to gripe now, it was forthcoming long time ago. If you didnt stock up, then just have to deal with it.
     
  17. nathan

    nathan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    5,067
    The underrated .22 LRs before preSandy Hook period were pretty much underrated of all things . NOw its the king ! Im glad i got some to get me through this dry period. The sale of Ruger 22 pistols are up since Dec 14. Naturally everyone s trying to find ways to beat the craze on 5.56s , 9mms, etc.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2013
  18. mikechandler

    mikechandler Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    97
    Cheer up, it will eventually even out again. Right now there are many Americans who ignored their 2nd Amendment Rights, until it became apparent that some of our elected officials want to take them away. In a panic, they are now gearing up - and many long time shooters, who did not build up a store of supplies, are doing so now. But it won't last forever.

    When it does return to some level of normality - do yourself a favor. Every paycheck, set aside money for shooting supplies - and make sure some portion (any amount is fine) is for building a stockpile (ammo or loading supplies that will not be used in the immediate future). After a couple years you will be amazed at how much stuff you've laid up, and the next time things get crazy, you can coast through it without an issue, or if you deem it's appropriate, throw some of it back on the market, and easily recoup the cost of your entire stockpile with a small portion of it.

    Preparedness vs. Panic, and Winning vs. Whining!
     
  19. BGB

    BGB Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Messages:
    3
    Location:
    Tallahassee FL
    Old Rimfire Ammo can loss its puch even if kept in climate control indoors.
    I had CCI 22mag solid points fire strong and weak all from the same 50 count box.
    they have been inside in AC home for the last 5 years or more.
     
  20. RetiredUSNChief

    RetiredUSNChief Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2012
    Messages:
    7,197
    Location:
    SC (Home), VA (Work)
    Ummm...I think there's a difference between "hoarding" and "stocking up".

    For example there were a number of years where I was not able to do much target shooting, if any. This was back in the days when WWB 9mm was $9.95/box and WWB .45 acp was $19.95/box at Walmart.

    One of the major irritants for me is to have to buy ammunition when I decide to go out shooting. It just makes it seem more expensive that way (purely psychological). So I decided that, even if I weren't shooting as much, whenever I went to Walmart and had an extra $10 or $20 bucks, I'd buy at lease one box of ammunition.

    The goal was to fill one ammo can for each caliber.

    After I did that, I started to do the same for .22 WMR. I never did that for .22 LR, mostly because it seemed silly at that time when I could buy a 550 round box for less than $5. Maybe I'll change my tune now, but we'll see.

    Over the course of 2-3 years of doing this, I has one ammo can full of each caliber.

    I now consider that my "revolving stock". I want to go shooting, I grab a few boxes and go. In between times, I buy a box here and there to stock it back up.

    I don't think that's hoarding. I think that's planning.

    That said, I'm a Hoosier born and bred, though I now live in South Carolina after retiring from the Navy. If I should happen to visit family back home, I would not object to bringing you a box or two of my stash for whatever the estimated cost for me was (I don't have receipts for them). Heck, I'd toss you a box just for being a range buddy if I were close to you.

    :):)
     
  21. BSA1

    BSA1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2011
    Messages:
    5,321
    Location:
    West of the Big Muddy, East of the Rockies and Nor
    If you understand what is being said, it's not that someone has more than another. It is when in times of uncertainty, some people clean off the shelves and leave nothing for the others.

    So what? My obiligation is to my family and myself, not you or anyone else.

    Why do people continue to say it's about having more when it's about not being considerate of others when the chances are you will not come close to running out of ammo once the crisis passes.

    Why do you save money in the bank? After all chances are the economy will remain strong and you have more money saved than you will never need it in a crisis.

    If there was a permanent ban on ammo sales then that is a different story. We're talking about another mini-crisis that will pass in time. Huge difference.

    Since you are so confident why is this a issue for you? After all it is just a minor convenience.
     
  22. hueyville

    hueyville Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2013
    Messages:
    535
    Location:
    Blue Ridge Mountains
    45 auto wrote:
    Last week two of my dealers and yesterday a third said that from their perspective as retailers the artificial bubble has burst. They are restocking for the third or fourth time and the stuff is not flying off the shelves like it had been. They are already seeing guns that went out six weeks ago coming back. Some of the panic crowd that hit every gun show, retailer and online store they could have their credit card bills hitting. Here, the price of an SKS on the shelf has dropped 140 bucks from its peak. AR-15's have dropped about the same. These panic buyers are already seeing the shelves fill up, the prices adjusting and are freaking out over losing out on their investment made in a time of panic. Some are already trying to cash back out before their is another price drop back toward pre panic levels and they have to pay another months interest on their cards.

    I was selling two to four SKS rifles a week up till two weeks ago. What the market is paying today compared to three weeks ago in private sales locally has gone down to a point where I will hold my remaining Combloc rifles to the next panic. Yes, there will be more of these incidents. So once the market normalizes somewhat, you regular consumers that got caught this time need to take heed and buy at a rate that will give you enough stock to get through each price bubble without feeling left out from participating in your chosen activity.

    I have been buying all things gun, ammo, reloading related for 30 years. My minimum stock is to have enough ammo and components to shoot for at least 3 to 5 years if a significant shortage were to occur. I have an emergency lot backing that up of inventory that is not to be shot unless we reach a time in our society it is necessary for survival. That said, been able to continue shooting for past two months as if nothing has happened. Still get my monthly stocking order from my LGS of reloading components regular as clockwork. He knows what I need a year ahead and has my needs planned in his rolling stock.

    Your screen name is 45 auto... I personally shoot a minimum of 150 rounds of .45 acp every week and some weeks double that. Casting my own bullets out of wheel weights and at today's price for scrap lead, powder and primers it costs me 6.50 per 100 rounds to roll my own. At the local indoor range .45 acp range ammo is 20.00 per 50 round box. to shoot 100 rounds of their ammo versus mine is a 33.50 price difference. Plus I am loading with components bought at half current prices as part of my 30 year old restocking program. By the time I get to shooting the primers and powder I am buying now, it will be a bargain by those days standards.

    Stored properly ammo and reloading supplies will last more than a lifetime. I "found" a box with five pounds of Bullseye powder a week or so ago. That will make about 2,000 rounds of .38 plinkers per pound. Price on the bottles was 7.95 per pound. Cracked a can, loaded a few and shot perfectly. Due to its age I moved this powder to front of rotation. At that price when it got stored, it is 0.004 cents per round for 38 special rounds. The math shows 20 cents a box for my powder. Costs me 0.006 to cast 140 grain SWC currently. Primers I am using were purchased when they were 14.00 per 1,000 comes to 0.014 per primer. So busting my .38 target loads this week are costing me less than 3 cents a round for 38 or 1.20 per box. I choose to put back and keep control of my inventory rather than the whims of the general public and the retailers dictate my activity.

    Last night I put two 100 round boxes of 45 acp and two 100 round boxes of .38 special and a 250 rounds of 22 lr into my ammo box for this weeks allotment as weather is nice and have some extra time to shoot. So 400 rounds of center fire handgun ammo and 250 rimfire with price of .59 box marked has my weekly ammo cost at less than 20 bucks for a total of 650 rounds. Instead of riding around like a chicken missing his head looking for a bullet, I will be relaxing at the range slinging lead and making smoke.

    Am I a hoarder? NO! I am a shooter and put the effort in so that not only can I shoot all I want this week, I can next month, next year or 5 years from now even if no gun shop in America gets a box of bullets or a can or powder for the next three years or more. I buy in bulk, on a regular schedule, in advance so that I can afford to enjoy shooting instead of posting on BBS's trying to find a 50 count box of 22 lr.

    Same reason after Katrina and everyone in the south was lining up for fuel and paying triple when a station happened to get a few gallons to sell. I pulled up to my own pump filled up my truck and had enough fuel to get through the shortage without freaking out. Common sense and the facts tell us that our supply lines in America are overtaxed and not prepared for any type of shortage or run. Average city has three days food supply in the stores. What do the same folks looking for a bullet do if the trucks stop restocking the grocery store? Starve? If the toilet paper factory burns are folks going to have to wipe their butt with the Sears catalog? Wait, its online now so it would be hard to wipe with a computer monitor. Go to the U.S. FEMA website and take the course entitled "A citizens guide to emergency preparedness". Y'all will be shocked at how ragged the edge our society is riding every day. When loaf of bread costs 50 bucks if you can find it is it going to be unfair that I put a 50 pound bag of flour in a can and can put it in my bread making machine and eat a sandwich while others are starving? When the electric grid goes down during a regular winter ice storm is it fair to my neighbors that my whole house generator which runs off a buried 1,000 gallon tank of propane kicks on within seven seconds and while other sit in the cold and dark we make microwave popcorn and watch movies? No you don't have to be rich to live like this. All it takes is prioritizing your life. My wife and I have not been out to eat in 3.5 years. While most couples are blowing 75 bucks to go to Red Lobster or Longhorns on Friday night, we fix a nice dinner at home and use the money saved to put something we may need in a box, can or bottle. While some are paying 100 plus a month for cable TV we watch free high def off an antenna on the chimney. While most are leasing a car or trading every 4 to 5 years I service our heavy duty trucks faithfully and the money saved by getting 500,000 miles per truck before buying new puts a 1,000 gallon tank of diesel and another of premium fuel underground. When the time for the new truck comes we have saved the cash and don't have to give some finance company thousands of dollars to drive out truck. making payments to yourself on the front end is cheaper than making them to someone else with interest on the back end. Is that hoarding? No, it is being responsible to see that my family is cared for in the event of any foreseeable shortage. We can eat, drive and shoot our guns. So when ammo returns to the store folks can learn the lesson and buy an extra box or two when they go to put back for the next bubble or they can only buy what they plan to shoot and be in the same situation again next time. I do feel for some of you and have actually given away, traded and sold quite a bit of ammo lately to help others. But every dime will be put aside to restock for next shortage. People can choose to live at the whim of the supply chain and its hiccups or they can put just a tad of effort into being a few months to a year ahead of the game. Everyone gets to make their own choice.
     
  23. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    5,254
    Location:
    The Mid-South.
    When the Lee-Enfield bug first bit me in early '09, I bought not only one of the last cases of .303 ('43 English) surplus from Samco, but also asked a friend about it. His friend sold me a fair batch.
    This stuff has barely been touched, because it is long-term emergency ammo for when I retire and maybe Prvi imports (for reloading) will be heavily taxed, or banned.

    hueyville: that's superb preparation for any event.
    My wife would need refrig. insulin on a frequent bases. That's why being worried about which guns to own is academic (there would be no deer left outside the city edges anyway). Those "s***" debates about whether to have an M-1A vs. AR are the silliest arguments I've ever read, prompted by too many re-runs of "The Road Warrior"/"--Thunderdome", "The Postman" and "Red Dawn" etc.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2013
  24. fiddleharp

    fiddleharp Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2007
    Messages:
    285
    Location:
    Crackerville, Florida
    If you think this is something, wait until there is no food to be found on store shelves!
    Can't possibly happen here?
    That's what I used to think about ammo and 30-cents a gallon gasoline.
    Anybody who hasn't been "prepping" for years is a fool!
     
  25. mrvco

    mrvco Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    697
    Location:
    Colorado
    I know this won't be a popular view here, but I've gotta say it...

    The dark side to the hoarding is that there are countless people trying to either get into shooting or get back into shooting and the lack of and/or exorbitantly priced ammunition is making it difficult to add those new voices to our cause.

    I was out running some errands this afternoon and while I was getting gas, there was a fella ranting about how he is continuing to "stock up" on ammo... while standing on one's porch expending 20k rounds of ammo fighting off endless hoards of federal shock troops trying to forcibly take away your rights is a rather bombastic fantasy... I think that rather than continuing to hoard more and more ammunition, we'd be a lot better off taking friends and family shooting or just leaving the ammo on the shelf for those that actually "need" it, adding new shooters (read: Like-minded Voters) to our ranks will be far more valuable to our cause than filling our homes with a decade or two's supply of range ammunition and as a result alienating any potential new participants in our sport.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page