Holder Threatens Kansas Over New Gun Laws

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Bravo Kansas is right! I'm going to see if I can find some suppliers for my next couple of purchases out of that state. We most continue to support those that support freedom. What a fantastic set of responses! To date, that's some of the best "go and pound sand Obama and Co." responses I've seen. No pussyfooting around, just telling off King Obama. I love it.
 
So... great letters from Kansas, but:


<enter gadfly mode here>:

"It's all talk until a firearms manufacturer actually makes, marks, and sells firearms within Kansas without BATFE licensing, and forces federal action as a result".

Until then it's all role playing. It's fun... really. I applaud it. Now the question is who's gonna start making AR lowers in Kansas for local sale and is willing to be arrested for his trouble? Taking 100 80% lowers, marking them "Made in Kansas", completing them on a CNC mill, and then retailing them without a license ought to be an easy way to stir the pot. Any takers? Who's brave enough to put skin in the game? Anyone? :rolleyes:

<exit gadfly mode here>:

The letters are worth their weight in gold for many reasons. Well done, and what a great group of reps kansas has.


Willie


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Perhaps you underestimate the courage of the people of the South Wind.
We don't start trouble. We finish it.
 
Holder still owes America an explanation about his involvement with Operation "Fast and Furious"!
Of course, the current Administration has ways of "covering up" instances where it's own hypicrosy bites it on the butt!
 
Has the DoJ always been this politicized?

I assume it has, and I just wasn't paying attention. However, it is interesting that the DoJ has "more important things to do" than enforce Federal laws against marijuana in Colorado and Washington (not that I really care, as I'm no fan of the "War on Drugs"), but, by god, they will drop everything to fight Kansas on this.
 
"Perhaps you underestimate the courage of the people of the South Wind. We don't start trouble. We finish it."


I'm on your side, trust me there! Well done.



Willie

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A Very Timely Poll

This was just posted on DRUDGE REPORT;

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwy...s-believe-armed-revolution-might-be-necessary

Quote;

"Twenty-nine percent of registered voters think that an armed revolution might be necessary in the next few years in order to protect liberties, according to a Public Mind poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University.

The poll, which surveyed 863 registered voters and had a margin of error of +/-3.4, focused on both gun control and the possibility of a need for an armed revolution in the United States to protect liberty."

While their are several ways to interpert the poll I think it is a fair statement that it shows the level of distrust of the Federal Government and the pressure State Governments are feeling to protect their rights and abillity to govern their own affairs from a out of control expansive Federal government.
 
How is this man still in power? He claims he wasn't informed about Fast & Furious. Surely he should resign for not being able to control this rogue agency?
 
Remember AG John Mitchell.
He believed law and order required restriction of civil rights.
He believed US citizens should be stripped of guns.
He was sentenced to prison for his role in Watergate.
Non of these people is above the law, but we've had a few who thought they were.
 
Running guns to the enemies of a foreign government is an act of war. The way career Federal bureacrats work means Holder knew EXACTLY what was going on with Fast & Furious. There is no way a low level manager would ever make such a decision. Doing so without approval from above would only mean severe prison sentences for those involved. Instead, a few of these guys were PROMOTED (likely to maintain their silence). Holder was Obama's cut-out; he would take the blame if this went bad. The only reason he is in office is because Obama is using his power to keep him there.

Remember all those meetings about guns and border issues with the President of Mexico? My guess is both Presidents conspired to "make some statistics" in order to get anti-rights legislation passed by Congress. Mexico made some rude noises for a short time, but has since been quiet about it. I am sure a deal was made and Mexico got what it wanted.
 
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You can contact the Governor here, I sent him a letter.

https://governor.ks.gov/serving-kansans/constituent-services/legislation-and-policy-issues

Governor, I am not one of your constituents but I am writing this to thank you for your service in protecting the Constitutional Rights of the People of Kansas, specifically the Second Amendment Rights. Millions of us around the nation are watching and hoping Kansas stands strong in maintaining State's Rights and the Right of the People.
Stand strong. Thank you.
 
As a native and current resident of Kansas, I am proud of our governor and especially Kris Kobach. He has been active nationally in crafting laws to protect us from Oblama's support of illegal immigration. Now he is doing the same with regard to federal encroachment into our ability to own firearms. It is sad and scary when we witness the threats to our freedoms from the very office that is supposed to protect us.
 
No problem if this holds as law in Kansas; you will be able to have all the machineguns you want to make and own. In Kansas. Just remember that as soon as you want to LEAVE Kansas with them, THAT is when the federal restrictions may/will come into play. It will not fix the interstate restrictions, only those that Kansas and other states (who choose to follow Kansas' lead) draft for INTRASTATE ownership and use.
 
It will not fix the interstate restrictions, only those that Kansas and other states (who choose to follow Kansas' lead) draft for INTRASTATE ownership and use.

Pretty sure that our neighbors to the East (Missouri) are currently working on legislature that pretty much shadows what our governor has already signed. Don't think that Nixon is as pro 2A as Brownback though.
 
The question that comes to my mind is: is it actually necessary for a state to pass a law like this? If the Feds have no control over INTRAstate commerce, isn't every weapon made in a state that stays in a state automatically exempt from Federal law? Couldn't a citizen bring their own case against the feds, declaring that the feds have no jurisdiction in the matter (providing that they constructed a firearm in the state, kept it in the state)?

If so, I see a lot of homebuilders gearing up for finishing 80% lowers
 
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Kansas is my favorite state of the day! Heck, maybe even the week! I'm disgusted that with the majorities we have in Texas we can't pass common sense gun legislation like this, campus carry, open carry and the like. Maybe this will help.
 
Kansas law:
Any act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation of the government of the United States which violates the second amendment to the constitution of the United States is null, void and unenforceable in the state of Kansas.
Yep, that got a fast and furious response from US AG Eric Holder.

There was a bill introduced in the Tennessee legislature to make it illegal for any city, county or state personnel to aid or abet federal agents in the enforcement of gun laws that were in violation of state constitution protection of the right of the citizens of this state to keep and bear arms.

It was already Tennessee state law and precedent that local authorities could not aid federal agents in enforcing unconstitutional laws in Tennessee. It is telling that AG Holder is irate over that idea.

The law itself does not say that Kansas will prevent federal agents from attempting to enforce an unconstitutional federal act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation. Under federal supremacy hindering federal agents in carrying out their duty is impermissable. But there is no obligation to aid and abet federal violation of the constitution or bill of rights.
 
Those two guys are officially my heroes. Living in a sad state like Illinois, it's easy to get beaten down and forget that there still are some states and leaders that CARE about and stand up for their rights. I couldn't be in more agreement or more proud of these guys. I'm envious of the leadership in Kansas now.

Warner
 
Mexico made some rude noises for a short time, but has since been quiet about it.
It was Mexican Presidente Calderon who started the current Mexican Drug War by sending in the Army in Dec 2006, shortly after he was ellected. He appeared with Obama in Rose Garden press events and a joint session of Congress, blaming the accelerated death rate on sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban in 2004, and calling on a re-instatement of the AWB with applause from Obama.

The opposition party won Dec 2012 (6 year terms), and the new Presidente has vowed to demilitarize the drug war, and recruit 20,000 gendarmerie civilian police to enforce law in place of the Army. That is probably why you have not heard much from Mexico recently.
 
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