Holder Threatens Kansas Over New Gun Laws

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  1. leprechaun50

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    Bravo Kansas. Its about time someone calls them out on their unconstitutional actions.
     
  2. TheSaint

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    Bravo Kansas is right! I'm going to see if I can find some suppliers for my next couple of purchases out of that state. We most continue to support those that support freedom. What a fantastic set of responses! To date, that's some of the best "go and pound sand Obama and Co." responses I've seen. No pussyfooting around, just telling off King Obama. I love it.
     
  3. SabbathWolf

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    Perhaps you underestimate the courage of the people of the South Wind.
    We don't start trouble. We finish it.
     
  4. Blackstone

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    Holder needs putting in his place.
     
  5. Zeke/PA

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    Holder still owes America an explanation about his involvement with Operation "Fast and Furious"!
    Of course, the current Administration has ways of "covering up" instances where it's own hypicrosy bites it on the butt!
     
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    Has the DoJ always been this politicized?

    I assume it has, and I just wasn't paying attention. However, it is interesting that the DoJ has "more important things to do" than enforce Federal laws against marijuana in Colorado and Washington (not that I really care, as I'm no fan of the "War on Drugs"), but, by god, they will drop everything to fight Kansas on this.
     
  7. Willie Sutton

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    "Perhaps you underestimate the courage of the people of the South Wind. We don't start trouble. We finish it."


    I'm on your side, trust me there! Well done.



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    A Very Timely Poll

    This was just posted on DRUDGE REPORT;

    http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/poll-29-registered-voters-believe-armed-revolution-might-be-necessary

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    "Twenty-nine percent of registered voters think that an armed revolution might be necessary in the next few years in order to protect liberties, according to a Public Mind poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University.

    The poll, which surveyed 863 registered voters and had a margin of error of +/-3.4, focused on both gun control and the possibility of a need for an armed revolution in the United States to protect liberty."

    While their are several ways to interpert the poll I think it is a fair statement that it shows the level of distrust of the Federal Government and the pressure State Governments are feeling to protect their rights and abillity to govern their own affairs from a out of control expansive Federal government.
     
  9. Blackstone

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    How is this man still in power? He claims he wasn't informed about Fast & Furious. Surely he should resign for not being able to control this rogue agency?
     
  10. Midwest

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    I thought Montana was also considering something along these lines.
     
  11. JohnM

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    Remember AG John Mitchell.
    He believed law and order required restriction of civil rights.
    He believed US citizens should be stripped of guns.
    He was sentenced to prison for his role in Watergate.
    Non of these people is above the law, but we've had a few who thought they were.
     
  12. tomrkba

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    Running guns to the enemies of a foreign government is an act of war. The way career Federal bureacrats work means Holder knew EXACTLY what was going on with Fast & Furious. There is no way a low level manager would ever make such a decision. Doing so without approval from above would only mean severe prison sentences for those involved. Instead, a few of these guys were PROMOTED (likely to maintain their silence). Holder was Obama's cut-out; he would take the blame if this went bad. The only reason he is in office is because Obama is using his power to keep him there.

    Remember all those meetings about guns and border issues with the President of Mexico? My guess is both Presidents conspired to "make some statistics" in order to get anti-rights legislation passed by Congress. Mexico made some rude noises for a short time, but has since been quiet about it. I am sure a deal was made and Mexico got what it wanted.
     
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    You can contact the Governor here, I sent him a letter.

    https://governor.ks.gov/serving-kansans/constituent-services/legislation-and-policy-issues

     
  14. Sniper66

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    As a native and current resident of Kansas, I am proud of our governor and especially Kris Kobach. He has been active nationally in crafting laws to protect us from Oblama's support of illegal immigration. Now he is doing the same with regard to federal encroachment into our ability to own firearms. It is sad and scary when we witness the threats to our freedoms from the very office that is supposed to protect us.
     
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    KANSAS!!!!

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    No problem if this holds as law in Kansas; you will be able to have all the machineguns you want to make and own. In Kansas. Just remember that as soon as you want to LEAVE Kansas with them, THAT is when the federal restrictions may/will come into play. It will not fix the interstate restrictions, only those that Kansas and other states (who choose to follow Kansas' lead) draft for INTRASTATE ownership and use.
     
  17. Blackstone

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    Are machineguns manufactured in Kansas still covered by NFA?
     
  18. gym

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    Well Kansas just went on my list of places to move to.
     
  19. Dan-O

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    Pretty sure that our neighbors to the East (Missouri) are currently working on legislature that pretty much shadows what our governor has already signed. Don't think that Nixon is as pro 2A as Brownback though.
     
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    The question that comes to my mind is: is it actually necessary for a state to pass a law like this? If the Feds have no control over INTRAstate commerce, isn't every weapon made in a state that stays in a state automatically exempt from Federal law? Couldn't a citizen bring their own case against the feds, declaring that the feds have no jurisdiction in the matter (providing that they constructed a firearm in the state, kept it in the state)?

    If so, I see a lot of homebuilders gearing up for finishing 80% lowers
     
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  21. TX1911fan

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    Kansas is my favorite state of the day! Heck, maybe even the week! I'm disgusted that with the majorities we have in Texas we can't pass common sense gun legislation like this, campus carry, open carry and the like. Maybe this will help.
     
  22. Carl N. Brown

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    Yep, that got a fast and furious response from US AG Eric Holder.

    There was a bill introduced in the Tennessee legislature to make it illegal for any city, county or state personnel to aid or abet federal agents in the enforcement of gun laws that were in violation of state constitution protection of the right of the citizens of this state to keep and bear arms.

    It was already Tennessee state law and precedent that local authorities could not aid federal agents in enforcing unconstitutional laws in Tennessee. It is telling that AG Holder is irate over that idea.

    The law itself does not say that Kansas will prevent federal agents from attempting to enforce an unconstitutional federal act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation. Under federal supremacy hindering federal agents in carrying out their duty is impermissable. But there is no obligation to aid and abet federal violation of the constitution or bill of rights.
     
  23. Warners

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    Those two guys are officially my heroes. Living in a sad state like Illinois, it's easy to get beaten down and forget that there still are some states and leaders that CARE about and stand up for their rights. I couldn't be in more agreement or more proud of these guys. I'm envious of the leadership in Kansas now.

    Warner
     
  24. mavracer

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    I've never been more proud to be a Kansan
     
  25. Carl N. Brown

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    It was Mexican Presidente Calderon who started the current Mexican Drug War by sending in the Army in Dec 2006, shortly after he was ellected. He appeared with Obama in Rose Garden press events and a joint session of Congress, blaming the accelerated death rate on sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban in 2004, and calling on a re-instatement of the AWB with applause from Obama.

    The opposition party won Dec 2012 (6 year terms), and the new Presidente has vowed to demilitarize the drug war, and recruit 20,000 gendarmerie civilian police to enforce law in place of the Army. That is probably why you have not heard much from Mexico recently.
     
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