Holder's new views on the 2A

[BHP FAN]

''I believe Vince Foster shot himself in Fort Marcy Park with a mixed 1913 Colt Army Special like I believe in the Tooth Fairy...''
With the wrong hand,with the blood in the body pooled in the wrong side of the body,and no blood on the scene...

 

[209]

Cyborg beat me to it.

Their lips are moving. Be worried.

 

[regal]

This new stance could be a good sign. They are using the Heller decision as a scapegoat for not pushing their special interest "contributor's" agendas. The real reason of course is fear of political fallout, the new liberal regime could care less about the supreme court or the constitution. But they do care about the polls, and the Heller decision is a nice convenient scapegoat defense against the strong anti-gunner despots.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The Constitution refers to the government as having powers and authorities, and refers to individuals having rights (copyright, patent and a congressman's immunity from arrest while Congress is in session) and privileges (habeus corpus, which is a privilege since it can be suspended in wartime).

In that context, how can anyone see the words "right of the people" in the first, second and fourth Amendments to the Constitution and read a "collective right" or power of the state for the 2ndA?

I'll trust Holder not.

Anytime these leftists start talking about the rights of government, I want to put a copy of the constitution before their face with the references to Powers and Authorities highlighted and demand where does the Constitution grant rights to the government?

 

[winston smith]

To update Regan: Trust, buy buy an AR or three.

There is no way Holder will chance a slapdown by the SCOTUS; neither wil he side with the angels in any decision he makes.

We need to begin to roll back GC violations of the Second Amendment thhough innovative arguments based on what is reasonable and done elsewhere. For example NY State's ban on full capacity magazines constitutes the death penalty for the victims of crimes, if they need more than 10 shots in a self-defence situation. Is that reasonable? The Death Penalty? When other states have no such restriction? How is that equality under the law? Argue it!

California cases will be more expensive; the ninth circus- Opps- ninth circuit - will side with the Left; those cases will need to go all the way up.

Some places will give up without a fight. You never know untill you try.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

I agree in principle, Winston. Several Chicago suburbs repealed their handgun bans in the immediate wake of Heller, some without a fight. I lived in one of those suburbs many years ago when the ban passed, and it was surreal. A bleeding heart Village Board member introduced the bill and it passed one night with no public discussion or debate. Just like that, handguns were banned. Of course, the rule largely was ignored. I personally not only ignored it, but privately flouted it. When the Village Board finally repealed the ban all these years later, the bleeding heart was still around (long gone from the Board), and was apoplectic with rage. I loved it. I no longer live anywhere near there, but family does, and so I got the skinny. "Total meltdown. Like a kid whose ice cream fell off the cone." Got to love that.

 

[cbrgator]

Convince the CATO institute you are a good plaintiff and file a suit!

 

[Master Blaster]

The cop killer bullet montra has been used before. It was part of some legislation that went through the senate in 2003. The usual gunnbanners sponsored and wrote it. The idea was a performance based ammunition test for police officer safety. If the bullet could penetrate a level 2 vest commonly worn by police officers it would be banned from civilian possesion. This included ALL rifle rounds from the .30-,30 on up. The testing would be under the auspices of the attorney general who could decide what calibers were to be banned.

The measure was hottly debated in the senate , and I remember Teddy Kennedy standing up and righteously demanding that :

"the sale of a dangerous armor piercing round like the .30-.30, that can shoot through an armored limosine, at hardware and sporting goods stores with no background check is an OUTRAGE and a danger to police officers everywhere, and must be stopped!!!

Of course everyone can see what the result of this bill which was defeated would have been.

All rifle rounds banned and/ or restricted, shotgun slugs, and large caliber handguns .357 magnum and up would be banned or restricted.

The bill thankfully failed, but look for its cousin to come up again Holder is talking about an bigtime ammo ban and we are in trouble for sure.

 

[Gungnir]

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson

I smell a lot of fear here...