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Holland & Holland Film

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by dak0ta, Nov 12, 2012.

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  1. musicman10_1

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    What an interesting perspective; it does not coincide with my experience, but I understand the essence of your comments.
     
  2. Zoogster

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    That is not to imply that is all European shooters. In fact I know there is plenty of exceptions to that, and in a couple nations firearm ownership is relatively easy.
    Perhaps I worded things too strongly.

    Firearm sports are further from reach for many, require more cost and effort to take part in, and so are more easily available to those of means, or at least those better established in life and middle aged (beyond when many of thier views are readily shaped.)
    Those determined will still be able to, but it is not as casual of a pursuit as it can be in the US. Greatly reducing numbers and favoring certain portions of society.

    The culture of firearms also has more to do with hunting in a lot of Europe, though there is target shooting. Hunting often requires private land use, which further increases cost and adds hurdles, beyond just the greater hurdles to obtain firearms and ammunition.
    I guess that is an irony considering Europe is generally more socialist, but in America we have a lot of the 'People's Land' in the form of national and state forests and other wide expanses of publicly available land in most states west of the Mississipi River.
    I am aware Texas is similar in having little public land, which is why I don't live in Texas, it is a primary factor.


    A film like that reminds me of the time when the King owned most land not cleared for crops in Fuedal times, and hunting on such land was frequently reserved for aristocrats and was something only the aristocrats typically did as a result. With hunting by others typically 'poaching' of the king's game.
    And how while different today, there is still some elements of similarity.
    With firearm privileges frequently tied to hunting, and hunting an expensive thing out of casual reach of many. Which has a big impact on reducing the overall number of shooters and firearm rights as a result.
     
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  3. Jaxondog

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    Nice video and thanks for sharing. It just made me realize just how poor I am. :(
     
  4. tarosean

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    A picture from Walmart or a Picasso? A plastic lawn chair or a lazy boy? A Kia or Jaguar? Etc. etc etc.

    They all serve the same purpose.

    Yet we are all individuals and it is often not the case of what does product "A" do better than product "B". Rather what we prefer.
     
  5. dak0ta

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    Wait for China to produce a H&H knock-off haha. Their first few batches will suck, but they'll get better just like their other guns.
     
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    It is not that I can not appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into it.
    It is that the particular type of firearm they are building, simply does not appeal to me.

    As far as the ad goes, I see the couple no different than a wanna-be gang banger, or someone who is 'goth'. They are trying too damn hard to 'fit in' to some clique and have no self worth of their own.
     
  7. JAshley73

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    While those guns cost as much or more than my house, I certianly appreciate the level of craftsmanship that goes into these pieces...
     
  8. Tinpig

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    You don't have to be rich to have a handmade English shotgun, you just need to have a Dad who knew how to liberate a good thing when he saw it.

    He found this 1907 Greener 12 ga. in a Japanese ammo bunker in 1945:

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    I inherited it when he died, but I don't shoot it much. I'm more comfortable banging my $100 NEF 20 ga. around. I love to take it out and admire the workmanship and the balance, though.

    Tinpig
     
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    Very nice. You ever have it appraised? I would hope its insured.

    Its a shame you can't do that anymore. Lord knows Saddam must have had a ton of those...well Bush did get his G18. lol

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2
     
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    Nice greener - go shoot it at some clays or feathered birds and enjoy the memories
     
  11. akodo

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    What I find interesting is the wealthy of the bygone era were likely to have a single gun or two from a very high-end maker. Wealthy gun owners today are more likely to have 100 different standard production guns.
     
  12. Mk VII

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    Sidelocks are not particularly efficient mechanisms. The boxlock is more reliable, but high-end guns are all sidelocks.
     
  13. Jim Watson

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    Well, you are there and I am not, but while I agree that the high end London Best guns are all sidelocks, some of the upstarts in Birmingham and Edinburgh have done very fine boxlock guns. I don't know the relative prices but I am more intrigued by a WR hand detachable boxlock than a sidelock.
     
  14. oneounceload

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    Actually the Scottish best guns are neither box lock or sidelock,they are a triggerplate action ala Dickson, Brown or MacNaughton. A much stronger action design that he others.
    As for sidelock being a bad design, I will disagree . They were built. To be able to be readily fixed in the field, something the box lock was not

    Yes, you would carry spare springs, pins and firing pin springs - making them easy to repair
     
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  15. Jim Watson

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    Yes, I know the Dickson Round Action et al are trigger plate actions. But the appearance is that of a boxlock, even though not an Anson & Deeley.

    I don't know what repairs you could make in the field to even a hand detachable sidelock. Is it usual to carry tools and small parts on safari? I know you could get a Westley Richards with a spare set of detachable boxlocks, just in case.

    The trigger plate actions are no doubt strong, without the space taken up by A&D action parts. But what of the stock inletting? A sidelock, especially back action, has a similarly solid bar, but a lot of cutouts in the wood. I wonder about the space taken up by the trigger plate with working parts.
     
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