Hollow point round ball??

[Jason313]

A conversion cylinder would make it fall under modern firearms and he’d be arrested for felon with a firearm.

Absolutely conversion cylinder if one is a felon puts it squarely under usc title 18 section 924.g, even to have possession of a conversion cylinder in say the same house, and not installed, supreme Court ruled a similar case where someone has a semiauto asualt rifle and the (completely legal to own) conversion kit uninstalled in the home, they got him for possession of.a machine gun (yes I know it's not a true machine gun but that's the words used in the law for any weapon which fires more than one shot with a "single trigger action". (That's why you can modify an AK to fire on the pull and again on the release, so two shots with one pull, since the pull and the release are two distinct actions.)

Likely true, but the day he uses it to protect himself it would become an issue.

Regardless as he seems to have changed direction, and with a family the repercussions would be even greater, especially being a felony I’d assume. It’s just not worth the risk in my opinion.

The problem with hollow points is expansion velocity and cavity clogging. Unless I'm using a conversion cylinder, I only use solid bullets in muzzleloaders and percussion handguns. I would rather have a solid bullet that performs consistently than a hollow point that's the opposite.

If a round ball expands, use that. If a conical gives a better wound cavity, use that. My 1858 stopping load is a Lee conical bullet over 30 or 35 grains of Triple 7. Hits harder than standard .45 ACP hardball. Don't shoot that in a brass frame tho.

 

[drobs]

Jason,

I'm not a lawyer but it seem states like Michigan have a path for getting firearms rights restored at the state level.
Not sure where you live but it's something to keep in mind.

More reading here:
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSPLegal_Update108_457974_7.pdf

 

[milemaker13]

I'm very sorry you have been restricted due to poor choices. That itself is a different conversation. However i think keeping firearms out of restricted hands is one of the sticking points of pro 2a. Maybe the restricted classifications should be modified, IDK, but as it stands you seem to be edging towards a workaround.
Same scenario with any other restricted person, right? What happens when they acquire a BP revolver and murder 6 people?
Unpopular opinion perhaps? Cant pick n choose your laws.... same reason gun control doesnt work... law abiding citizens obey laws, ciminals do not.

 

[whughett]

Worth a trip to your local AG's office. Records are expunged daily and 25 clean years are worth a lot. Some states even have an "automatic" statute.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Milemaker13,
ATF says a bp revolver isn't a firearm. States may say otherwise. Sounds like you are the one that doesn't like the law. The O.P. is staying within his rights and you want to accuse (in a public forum) him of a "workaround".
Unfreeking believable!

Mike

 

[JeffG]

Please...to avoid any legal jeopardy, check your state's statutes to see what they define firearm as. For example, Wisconsin, includes all blackpowder guns.

The Court of Appeals of Wisconsin defined "firearm" for the possession of firearm by felon statute (Wisconsin Statute 941.29(2)) to mean a weapon that acts by force of gun powder to fire a projectile, irrespective of whether it is inoperable due to disassembly.

 

[whughett]

As usual the topic has gone awry again. Anyhow drug laws 25 years ago that were a felony rate hardly a mention in today’s atmosphere. He hadn’t said just which substance and in our enlightened liberal society the expungement is a real possibility. Depends on his state laws.

 

[Eyrie G. Dogg]

Law abiding citizens don’t commit felonies and if they do they’re felons. Some states (e.g. Texas) will, over time, allow convicted felons to regain their 2d Amendment rights. It’s a process that begins with long arms that have to be kept at home to eventual full restoration. Some states have degrees of felonies and others hold that a felony is a felony is a felony, period. In California it’s a lifetime ban with no exceptions whatever. Of course our rulers here don’t want anyone to have firearms anyway, ever. In Cali if an 18 year old rips a $400 bike and gets convicted of grand larceny it’s a life time ban. Even most jaded crusty career prosecutors think that’s too harsh - but if it’s a violent felony with people getting hurt or killed then the perp can just eff it, why take a chance. In those cases the act demonstrates deep moral turpitude and a character flaw, not to mention a severe personality disorder.

Non-cartrige black powder arms, as we know, are not considered ‘firearms’ for purposes of interstate commerce but for purposes of the convicted felon prohibition they are definitely firearms. There is a lot of confusion and wishful thinking on this generally but there are no end runs or work-arounds on the prohibition. We know they are ‘firearms’ (boy howdy) and so does the gub’ment.

 

[milemaker13]

That is how i understand the law. Of course, I'm not a lawyer.

 

[RecoilRob]

This question got me to thinking (dangerous...) and if you really wanted to do such a thing, then a point could be welded into the ball ram of a cap-n-ball which would automatically hollow-point every ball it seats. Kind of swage-O-matic like. Don't think such a thing would actually be of much benefit as to how effective the ball would then perform, but if you wanted to accurately HP balls that would be a way to do it.

 

[Kaeto]

This question got me to thinking (dangerous...) and if you really wanted to do such a thing, then a point could be welded into the ball ram of a cap-n-ball which would automatically hollow-point every ball it seats. Kind of swage-O-matic like. Don't think such a thing would actually be of much benefit as to how effective the ball would then perform, but if you wanted to accurately HP balls that would be a way to do it.

They used to make muzzle loader ramrod attachments that would put a hollow point, or partially halve, or quarter a round ball.

 

[Steel Hayes]

Jason,

I'm not a lawyer but it seem states like Michigan have a path for getting firearms rights restored at the state level.
Not sure where you live but it's something to keep in mind.

More reading here:
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSPLegal_Update108_457974_7.pdf

Michigan has such a grey area on BP/antique firearms it’s almost laughable.
I traded my Pietta 1858 in to my LGS and even though I had the BP cylinder in it and the conversion cylinder separate, I had to register it as a firearm. Had I traded the gun in and come back the next day to trade in the conversion cylinder, nothing would have been said.

 

[drobs]

I went to gun shop called the Armory in Traverse City yesterday. Didn't find the SxS 12ga I was looking for but was tempted by a Chinese copy of a Saiga 12ga. Going to keep looking.
Visited another shop today. More of a gunsmith shop. Owner just opened the place after losing his job as gunsmith at Gander Mountain, only had 1 gun for sale and planned to stay away from selling handguns altogether. Didn't want to mess with all the rules. My cousins here mention that the handgun registration scheme could be going away on the next Nov. Ballot + maybe an Arizona style anyone can CCW maybe up for vote.

 

[darkcloud]

Be preety darned hard to get a hollow cavity in a round ball with perfect concentricty of the entire mass and then get THAT centered and aligned when loaded into a barrel. Result would be an unbalanced projectile not aligned with the barrel and told to spin upon launch. Try taping a penny to a kids top and give it a spin. See how it spins in comparison without the weighted side to it.