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Hollowpoints future in America

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Darebear, Jul 9, 2011.

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  1. Darebear

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    I stumbled upon a couple articles doing a google search that was about the Government trying to ban HP ammo.

    Will HP ever be banned/outlawed? I feel like HP's offer benefits not only to the person trying to defend themselves, but also to any bystanders that might be behind the intended threat/target. Does the Gov't see the benefits of HP's or do Liberal anti-gun lobbyists think HP's are inhumane and would like to see them gone?
     
  2. Sam1911

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    If you look long enough, you'll find an article about the government trying to ban everything.

    The enemies of RKBA will claim that any thing from a single-shot bench-rest gun to a single round of .22 LR ammo, to thinking about guns is inhumane and they'd like to see them gone.

    Don't worry about it. There's no actual legislation on this -- in fact, no recent CALLS for legislation on this -- and, while there's always a need to stay vigilant, there's plenty of real threats to deal with. No need to get too worked up about the least probable conjectures from the recesses of the 'errornet.
     
  3. Standing Wolf

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    Actually, one state already bans hollow points. I can't remember which it is—Maryland comes to mind—but it's illegal to use them in self-defense.
     
  4. wow6599

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    Does NJ allow HPs?
     
  5. Kliegl

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    No, they don't, and you'll get violated for each, individual hollow point you bring in there.
     
  6. Sam1911

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    It isn't MD. MD has some annoying rules, but nothing nearly so draconian as that.

    You're thinking of NJ. But even that -- the only state with a law similar -- isn't a complete prohibition, and it has nothing to do with use in a self-defense case.

    The NJSP site says:

    So, no -- there is not prohibition in NJ against using hollow-point ammunition in a home-defense situation.
     
  7. Sam1911

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    Yes, they DO, provided certain conditions are met. You as a visitor may not be meeting those conditions and could get into trouble.
     
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    I'm afraid that they (US Gov't or states) will go after lead bullets someday, not just for hunting like CA, but for practice rounds as well.
     
  9. JFrame

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    I guess I'd get back into. 45 acp big-time if I lived in NJ (perish the thought!).


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    Yup -- the EPA may very well become the biggest threat to gun rights.


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  11. Shaky

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    They won't get 'em all!
     

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  12. 1911Tuner

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    Don't look now, Shaky, but the single major source of boolit castin' lead...wheelweights...are being phased out and replaced by zinc...iron...aluminum...and plastic, and the lead weights that are being made are being hardened with calcium instead of antimony. They work okay, but the bullets that come from calcium-hardened weights aren't as good as the old ones. On the upside...big truck wheelweights are still made the old way because the lighter alloys aren't suitable for balancing huge truck wheels...if you can hook up with a truck shop, you can still get the good stuff.

    Buy'em now and stack'em deep. The day it is a-comin' that even home casters will be in a pinch.
     
  13. Shaky

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    Tell me about it...never thought I'd have to pay the range to clean out theit trap for them...
     
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    There will always b a report formulated by someone that plans a ban of something. Theres a gov report for just about everything
     
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    Shaky, I agree, but I need to get the Forster case trimmer and hollowpointer adapter - don't own a hollowpoint mold for 9mm. As for lead, I ain't gonna run out anytime soon, plus there is a lead supply house that makes new bullet alloy. Much more expensive than wheelweights, (which I buy cast in ingots already, I don't smelt), at $2.25 a pound, but far cheaper than buying bullets already made. BTW, what mold is that - I like the way it's built.
    AZ isn't likely to ban hollowpoints anytime in the near/far future, and I suspect that if fed.gov did, we'd just pass a state law exempting ourselves. :)
     
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    Damn, I had a mouthful of good bourbon when I saw that!:cuss:
     
  17. Owen Sparks

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    It's New Joysey.

    The saving grace of hollow point ammo is that it is less likely to over penitrate the intended target and hit an innocent bystander. Expanding ammo is also easier to stop with body armour so it poses less risk to the police.
     
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    Armoredman, it's an old Lee 429-214. I wish Lee still made them, they run a lot faster than the Lyman design, but Lyman does make a 9mm hp mold, which should still save time over casting then drilling. Or you can send a mold to Eric Ohlen and have most any made into a hp: http://www.hollowpointmold.com/
     
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    shaky,

    i hear they're going to ban lead as well. so no more bullets, or walmart children's toys.
     
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    I guess I'll have to start working on a way to swage asbestos, then.
     
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    If they outlaw lead bullets, expect to see a rise in copper pipe theft. Homemade DPX bullets will fill the void nicely.
     
  22. Apocalypse-Now

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    i hear copper's on it's way out too.
     
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    I bought half a ton at $1.50 and conned a trucker buddy into picking it up for me.

    Know how you unload 1,000 lbs of lead without a lift?

    One ingot at a time. :)
     
  24. Owen Sparks

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    How can the government ban one of the 82 basic elements?
     
  25. Apocalypse-Now

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    ^^we're kidding around lol :)
     
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