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Holsters: Hip Vs. Thigh

Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by CountGlockula, Oct 13, 2006.

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Hip Vs. Thigh

Poll closed Oct 13, 2007.
  1. Hipsters

    86.2%
  2. Thigh-Masters

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  1. CountGlockula

    CountGlockula Member

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    Looking to check out the difference between these two.

    VOTE!!!!

    What are the advantages/disadvantages?

    And which brand keeps your gun unscathed?
     
  2. Eleven Mike

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    I find it's best to just carry my gun around in my hand.
     
  3. hexidismal

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    Thigh ? How the heck do you conceal and carry on your thigh ? :neener:
     
  4. usp_fan

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    The real purpose of a thigh rig is to get the gun below body armor or pack straps, or other gear. The gun on your hip is usually more easily reached and protected.

    --usp_fan
     
  5. asknight

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    Strictly depends upon the mission...
     
  6. sicario103

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    Like usp_fan said, unless you got a lot of gear on you that hampers you from carrying a hip holster, there's not other viable reason for you to carry a thigh holster. It's long and slow to draw, harder to protect (from bumping it, BG etc.) And unless you're in police force or military, why would you use them?!

    I know a few civilian people that carry them on thigh holsters at the range.... I find it pathetic... what are they trying to accomplish... trying to pretend they are in some commando unit?! lol And oh yeah.... they suck....all talk nothing else....
     
  7. Jeff White

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    Thigh holsters were created to solve the problem of accessing a handgun while wearing cumbersome equipment that precludes the use of a hip holster.

    I just removed the top strap from the Safariland 6004 I use for the Tac Team so that I could get the pistol as high as possible. All you need is for it to clear your body armor/load bearing vest. Many people who use thigh holsters on duty make similar modifications so that their pistol isn't any lower then necessary. Some guys are using a hard extension for the Safariland 6280 to lower the standard hip holster enough to clear their load out.

    My personal opinion is that unless you need to wear a thigh holster to clear your load out, you will be better served with a standard hip holster.

    Wearing part of your load on your thighs has a high CDI factor, but it's cumbersome and really only suited to fairly short term dismounted operations. You don't want to be making an 8K approach march with a handgun on one thigh and 5 pounds of subload on the other.

    Jeff
     
  8. Eleven Mike

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    I've never worn a thigh holster. Would they be easier to reach when driving, than a hip holster?
     
  9. Jeff White

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    No they aren't that accessable when seated in a vehicle. Many soldiers doing mounted operations in Iraq are using an M4 pouch or even mounting a holster on the front of their chest rig to allow them to access their handguns while mounted.

    I have found that crossdraw and ankle holsters (worn inside of weakside leg) provide the best access while driving. I know of some police officers who mount a kydex holster to the bottom of the steering column so they can access a firearm while seated behind the wheel.

    Jeff
     
  10. Eleven Mike

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    M4 pouch? I guess I've been out too long.
     
  11. Jeff White

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    The pouch that holds two M4/M16 mags. There are a couple manufacturers making a dual purpose pouch, two M4 mags or a handgun.

    Jeff
     
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    I can wear a III-A vest and an OOB holster with no problems, but if you were to need full on tactical body armor you really nead a thigh rig. Obvioulsy its only a small minority of people that actually need a thigh rig. I think I would laugh if I saw anyone other than military or swat wearing a tactical thigh rig...
     
  13. Eleven Mike

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    I voted for thigh-master just because I like the phrase.

    Thigh-master. It's just so naughtily delicious.:eek:
     
  14. sicario103

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    Originally Posted by Eleven Mike

    Neither one should be used while driving. Also forget about carrying it between the seat and console because it still requires you to move and it is also too noticible. The best way to carry a firearm while in an automobile is unholstered under your left thigh pointing towards the door. It's fast, does not require much movement (hand, body) and very concealeble. I always have it under my leg whenever I'm in a car either as a driver or passenger.
     
  15. Jeff White

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    And if you are involved in a sudden acceleration or hard braking action or a collision, you've probably lost your weapon because it flew out from under your leg and it's now somewhere at your feet. You're now unarmed.

    Check out the story of the 1986 Miami FBI shootout. One of the agents, Grogan I think did exactly this and when he needed his weapon, he couldn't find it.

    Jeff
     
  16. Eleven Mike

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    I guess if you're a passenger, you may not have much choice. But when driving your own ride, isn't that a lot of unnecessary gun-handling and potential "brandishing"? Perhaps you could arrange to have another gun accessible in the car?
     
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    This poll is like voting between a corvette and a pickup truck. Neither will do when you need the other.
     
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    I don't mean this as an attack on the poster, but I disagree with every bit of this advice. If you spend a lot of time in your car and want to carry geared toward that, get a cross-draw holster, shoulder holster, fanny pack, mounted holster, etc. Having the gun unholstered under your leg is a good way to wind up with it on the floor somewhere, whereabouts unknown to you.

    Since there is a MUCH greater chance of you winding up in an accident than having to use your gun in a car, carry with that in mind. How much would it stink if you were rear-ended and your gun wound up under one of the pedals on the floor, preventing you from breaking or accelerating out of a subsequent accident? Or, how dumb would you feel if someone was doing a bump and jump on you where they bump you to get you to stop so they can carjack you, and the bump caused you to lose track of the very gun you would want to employ in the carjacking?
     
  19. CountGlockula

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    Appreciate the input guys.
     
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    I have to agree with this. I was "forced" to start carrying in a shoulder holster through one of the companies I work with and as against the idea as I was in the beginning since I had always carried OOB or IWB strong side in the past I have grown to really like it the last few weeks. It is SO much easier while in a car or while wearing a blazer or jacket, that the speed you might lose from a cross draw is more tham made up for by the ease of reach in many situations.
     
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    Try a clip on crossdraw.

    Thigh holsters are great for tactical gear, but for everyday use I don't see the need for them.

    If you ride a desk or sit in your car a lot you probably need to invest in a second holster.

    My recommendation for the car/desk holster is a clip on crossdraw holster that you can throw on to hold your weapon but switch back to your regular holster for standing/walking situations.

    Several makers offer "car" holsters and or clip crossdraws.
     
  22. MachIVshooter

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    No. Much more difficult, in fact.

    A thigh holster is pretty much the least desireable mode of on your person carry. More difficult to access from any position than the hip or under arm, it becomes even worse when you are sitting or kneeling than when standing.

    IMO, they are only useful for handguns that are too long to be drawn from a hip holster, such as a 10"+ barreled hunting revolver.

    This is coming frrom someone who's fingertips are 2" above the knee when standing. (5'11" with 6'3-1/2" armspan)
     
  23. sicario103

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    Originally Posted by Jeff White

    Well unless you were in a fighter jet that just took off a carrier sudden accelaration is moot. Now, I've done real sudden hard braking and my gun did not even shift. I don't mean just put it anywhere under your leg, the gun should be more towards your crutch past half your thigh and well tucked. Now collition, here it would have to be a very hard collition for a gun to really fly off and chances are you would most likely be hurt or stunt that drawing your gun might not even be possible at all. But normally your reaction would be to tense up and push your leg down and forward to brace for collition.
    The one time I got rear ended, my gun did not shift and neither did the gun from the guy that rear ended me (who happened to be a friend of mine) . For anyone that is from Venezuela would be familiar with the following m.o. At night on the Panamericana highway right at km 1 (which is surrounded by some of the worst slums), thieves either put huge chunks of debri or obstacles on the road to force cars to stop or stopping them by hanging a rock from the pedestrian bridge above so it would break the windshield's of the cars when they drive through it to rob them. So, you want to drive fast out of there but not too fast that you would not be able to avoid something on the road. Anyways, one night driving home from a party, you can say I was pretty drunk, in the last second I slammed on the breaks when I saw some garbage on the road. A friend of mine driving behind me hits me from behind hard enough to cause damage to both cars especially mine. But we did not fully stop (and my first reaction after the collition was to reach for my gun), we sped up and stopped at a gas station further down.

    Originally Posted by Eleven Mike

    Do you mean "unnecessary gun handling" as in having to unholster your gun and put it under your leg and having to reholster it again when you exit the car? If yes, no I don't think it would be unnecessary. I do it all the time, it's kinda like an automatic thing for me. If for some people think that this is unnecessary gun handling for safety reasons then maybe they shouldn't carry at all. For brandishing, I don't think so either. Your legs do cover most of it. Well, I forgot to mention before that tinted window is a must.

    Originally Posted by BruteTech

    I don't think it's a good idea to use any type of holsters unless if you don't wear seat belts since it would get in the way. Neither would be if you're wearing a jacket. For mounted holsters, depending on the location it would either be too visible or hard to reach.

    This is actually a common technique that people (civilians, police and military) use when they are driving due to the high risks of potential kidnapping and robbery in my country.
     
  24. Eleven Mike

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    So, you're holstering/unholstering the gun while the car-door is closed?
     
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    Obviously this guy's mind won't be changed, but for safety's sake, I just hope no one takes his advice.

    You've just had civilians, police, and military tell you it's a bad idea.
     
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