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Home defense long gun - which and why

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Dr_2_B, May 4, 2007.

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Which home defense long gun and why?

Poll closed Jun 3, 2007.
  1. Mossberg 12 ga. 18 inch pump gun

    207 vote(s)
    63.1%
  2. AR 15 short bbl

    56 vote(s)
    17.1%
  3. AK 47 Romanian

    12 vote(s)
    3.7%
  4. Yugo SKS

    11 vote(s)
    3.4%
  5. Kel-tec Sub2000 9mm fed by Glock mags

    5 vote(s)
    1.5%
  6. M1 Garand

    3 vote(s)
    0.9%
  7. M1 carbine

    21 vote(s)
    6.4%
  8. Don't do it... you gotta use a handgun

    13 vote(s)
    4.0%
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  1. Dr_2_B

    Dr_2_B Member

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    Family member owns these long guns and some handguns. He asked my opinion and I would value your opinions as well. Given these options only, which would you use for home defense long gun and why? He lives in a suburb with neighbors nearby.
     
  2. zero_chances

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    He owns which guns? A shot gun is generaly the best choice when neighbors are near by IMO.
     
  3. kis2

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    i agree, shotgun rounds (of the pellet variety) are round, and therefore usually get less penetration (as compared to say a fmj) through walls and such, that might cause friendly hits. plus you can get a huge variety of ammunition, so theres a lot of flexibility there.

    theres gonna be a lot of opinions on this though, and ive seen a couple of threads like this one, but i know how that asking for a friend stuff goes. i know my friend wouldnt be satisfied till someone answered for his particular situation.
     
  4. Mannix

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    For short range stopping power use a 12 gauge.
     
  5. Blakenzy

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    I voted for the AR15. 223 supposedly tends to fragment and limits overpenetration. The platform itself is light and handy, granted it has zero tactical addons. Followup shots are easy because of low recoil. I would use a 20rnd mag to reduce weight. It has to be light and lean.

    Second place would be the shotgun because although very effective, I find it to be a bit more cumbersome and less ergonomic. Also, any effective load for the shotgun presents overpenetration issues. I don't consider the use of birdshot appropiate for defense of self and family.
     
  6. Legionnaire

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    12 gauge. Great stopping power, and lots of flexibility through choice of ammo. Everything from light bird shot to heavy slugs.
     
  7. benelli12

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    For HD, IMO, a shotgun is your best choice. Shotguns are not very versatile when it comes to long range hits, but at the HD range it is brutally effective. With a rifle, of course their is the issue of overpenetration, which is not a HUGE deal to me, and most of the rifles posted will most likely go through the average person.

    With the rifle, if dealing with a derranged attacker, may not stop them as quickly as the shotgun at close range. With the shotgun, when properly loaded, will put almost any human down at a VERY high efficiancy rate within a 10-15ft range. Rifles are surely capable of this too, but you might as well use the close quarters to your advantage.

    A load of 2 3/4 or 3" magnum #4BK to 00BK at that range, even if you dont hit them in the head or chest, will put any man down pretty quick. If you do hit the BG in the head or chest with a shotgun(@10-20ft) its over. period. In that case, you dont need follow up shots, because one hit is WAY more than enough.

    IMO, I feel much more comfortable putting 600+ grains of lead towards a BG, than say a 55 grain HP from a 5.56.
     
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  8. blackhawk2000

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    Shotguns are good for shooting birds.
     
  9. nyresq

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    especially zombie birds trying to break into your house...:D
     
  10. qbpc

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    Shotgun just the sound of "pumping a round in" will make a BG pee his pants.
    Plus all the practical advatages.

    A cop friend of mine stopped a forming riot with that sound.

    BB
     
  11. 220_Swift

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    The shotty hands down, IMHO.
     
  12. GigaBuist

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    I voted for the Sub2k but that's becuase it fits my following rule:

    Your HD gun should be the one that you have run the most often at the range.
     
  13. possum

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    i chose the shotgun, not because of the particular model, but because i think that the 12ga is the best in this scenario. i have a remington 870 with number 4 buckshot. it will do the trick.
     
  14. Frog48

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    I'm torn between a AR15 and shotgun. So I keep both a Bushmaster and Mossberg handy.
     
  15. TCB in TN

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    I personally like the good ole 12ga pump loaded with some 00 buck, but to be honest I have a multi layered HD weapon plan, starting with the shotty, backed up by my 9mm, and my wife has a 9mm carbine to keep her company while I go through the house to get the kids. Best is always a relative term, and while I consider the shotty my "primary" I believe in having a solid backup plan, and even some redundency beyond that.

    BTW when I talk about HD I am talking about someone breaking INTO my home, not holding off a group of rioters/looters outside. Were that my main concern then I would likely look into the AR or AK platforms which I would consider more appropriate for that rather than the normal SD scenerio, where the short shotty/handgun combo makes the most sense in my mind.
     
  16. trueblue1776

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    prefer a pistol to a 16" barrel
     
  17. Skofnung

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    Of the guns listed, the 18" shotgun wins. It is tough to beat a short shotgun for most home defense situations. Engaging at greater than 25 yards is unlikley in most HD scenarios.

    The AR comes in a close second.
     
  18. Gewehr98

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    Okeydokey.

    Uncle Sam thought so, too.

    [​IMG]

    (My bedside USMC 870Mk1, loaded with 2 3/4" 00 full-brass buckshot for those naughty little birds...)
     
  19. Shadow Shock

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    I would go with a M1911. It has a lot of power, but without the over penatration of a rifle, or the spread of a shotgun which can destroy your possesions or kill yopu family on accident. Also It's much easier to manuever inside a house. It may only hold 7/8 fatboys, but if you can't kill someone with 7/8 .45 bullets,you might as well throw down your gun and beg for mercy. A pistol in the drawer of your nightstand is more convinient (and safer if you have kids that don't know any better) than a rifle or shotgun under the bed, in a corner or on the wall. And unless you have a gym in your house, you probobly wont be shooting more than a couple yards, so a pistol would do it.
     
  20. kcmarine

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    Shotgun. The only firearm which will blow a man off of his feet.
     
  21. Shadan7

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    Decisions, decisions...

    Seriously, it all depends.

    Two level home - I have a Sub2k upstairs, a Mossy 500 down. Always have a pistol on me, or close at hand in bed.

    Something just "goes bump in the night", I've got the pistol in hand and a flashlight. :scrutiny:

    Something gets the dog going, a long gun comes out. :eek:

    7
     
  22. Dr_2_B

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    really 'preciate the input. BTW 12ga got my vote too.
     
  23. redman900

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    sks

    I have a sks for home defense..and if all else fails claymores front and back!!!
    thats why its called the "quicker picker upper":evil:
     
  24. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Which is best depends on a lot of factors, not the least of which is the training and familiarity the user has with any particular weapon. Shooting at the range, my experience has been that novices seem to do best in terms of time and hits using a light recoiling carbine like an M1 Carbine, Keltec, AR15, AK, etc.

    However a shotgun can be a very effective home defense weapon if you can keep it fed and manipulate it effectively. If they haven't had any formal training, you might also have to educate them on many of the myths surrounding a shotgun (you don't have to aim, it will blow a man off his feet, penetration myths surrounding certain ammo, etc.)

    Pistols are almost always chosen for convenience, not effectiveness.
     
  25. Eightball

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    00 buck penetrates far more than most people think, and unless he's living in a cinderblock house (doubt it), that round will fly through his walls AFTER hitting the BG, and potentailly kill a passer-by or some other occupier. Unless you're using some very small pellets, say, >6, you seriously risk overpenetration. Plus, many LEOs (at least in my area) tend to frown on 00 buck, because to them, that round has no reason other than premeditated "I'm gonna kill someone" shots. It is much easier, when asked, "why'd you use that particular load?" to say "Dove season"--I would suggest something along the lines of 8 shot. Why? Lots of mass, lower recoil, and there's an average of about 400 pellets per round; assuming you empty the magazine, even if the BG wouldn't die immediately, he would be in a lot of pain and hurt, and have around 3,000 small shots to pick out of his torso/bloodstream.

    My vote was for the M1 carbine. Small, light, handy, semi-automatic, and pretty much shoots a hopped-up .357 round. Lots of rounds for the light weight, natural pointability, and the round that everyone loves to hate for being "underpowered" in most situations would aid it in not overly penetrating walls in an urban setting; round-nose bullets are wonderful for that (though HP would work wonderfully as well). It beats a pistol, IMO, because you can point it much easier, which comes in handy if you're groggy, tired, and just woke up from a dream to the sound of a BG/JBT breaking into your house, you shoulder it, point and click.
     
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