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Home Defense weapon, help me make a decision

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by NYenthusiast, Jan 1, 2006.

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  1. NYenthusiast

    NYenthusiast Member

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    Hello all, Upon turning eighteen Ive decided I want to excercise my right as an American to become a gun owner. I would like to purchase a firearm primarially for the task of home defense. In NYS I can not purchase a handgun until age 21, so thats one option not avalible to me. The two other weapons platforms which I thought would be most effective were some form of carbine/PDW or a 12ga shotgun. I would also like to own an AR variant of some kind, but due to penetration issues I dont know if that would be an effective dfense choice.
     
  2. losangeles

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    12 ga shotgun with short barrel is good. Great stopping power. One round will usually do the job, and accuracy doesn't have to be dead-on like with other firearms. In a stress situation, it's hard to rely on accuracy anyway, for most people.
     
  3. 50caliber123

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    If you want a cheap, affordable carbine, I advise the Hi-point 995 in 9mm. It has a 10rd clip, so it should be legal for NY. I own one, and it handles like an MP5 with a fixed stock.:D
     
  4. AFhack

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    For home defense - I'd vote for the shotgun
     
  5. NYenthusiast

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    Im not a big fan of 9mm what about the beretta storm in .40 or perhaps the ps90?
     
  6. Daniel964

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    I would have to say get a 12 Ga shotgun. If penatration of walls is not and issue use 00 buck. If it is and issue use #4 shot.
     
  7. rustymaggot

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    you need penetration or you just might not stop the badguy. your going to shoot thru walls if you miss the badguy, so dont miss. a shotgun is great for one shot stops if you use 00 buck. dont rely on birdshot. it doesnt get into the badguy enough to reliably stop them. people keep saying that accuracy with a shotgun isnt needed but they are plain wrong. at indoor ranges the shot only opens up a few inches. misses can happen. always aim, always be sure of your target. whatever you end up getting get a good flashlight to id your target. shooting into the dark without a positive identification is just bad news all around.


    if it has to be a rifle, i like m1 carbines. 15 or 30 round magazines, easy to move with, light recoil, reliable round for close quarters. specially if you use a softpoint.
    far as shotguns go rem 870, mossberg 500, or ithaca 37. i hear winchester makes a good pump but ive never used one so i cant recomend it till ive tried one out.
     
  8. grimjaw

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    Remy 870, several flavors, all taste good.

    As far as carbine, isn't the sale of pistol caliber ammunition also restricted in parts of New York state, if not all? Pistol caliber carbines might not fly.

    jmm
     
  9. Malodorousroadkill

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    FN is currently making an excellent clone of the winchester 1300 pump action. And they can be had for under 400USD. 1300s and clones can take mini-shells too. 12 rds or so to the normal 8.
     
  10. Taurus 66

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    Where do you live trooper?

    The general consensus here is a 12 gauge shotgun: Remington 870 Pump has a crisp flawless action. 00, #1 both excellent for a 1-30 yard range. I have this shottie and so far never had a single malfunction in over a thousand shots, though the barrel may be feeling signs of wear being that nearly 50% of the shots were 3" magnum slugs. 20 gauge shotguns are very effective too, and offer a little less recoil.

    Rifles for home defense are great too, but you have to keep this in mind:

    Rifles require more careful aiming than shotguns.

    Rifle ammunition can overpenetrate and hurt others.

    If you're still interested in rifles for home defense, http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/1894Centerfire/1894.aspx

    As for a pistol caliber autoloader, someone else will probably come along soon and give their input.
     
  11. mountainclmbr

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    Another vote for the shotgun. A used Mossberg 500 can be had under $200.00. You can select anything from 9 shot to slugs depending on the housing situation. I cannot think of a more versatile or effective choice for home defense.
     
  12. Malodorousroadkill

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    Y'know... Now that i think about it, a Vector UZI carbine in 45 ACP would make a solid HD rifle. Compact, they even have very nice fixed stocks, well proven cartride for close encounters, 10rd-25rd mags to be had, very reliable and durable even in the sandbox. Be very very easy for any adult to use.
     
  13. BozemanMT

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    Remington 870P, 12 ga, 18" barrel, extended magazine, surefire forearm light, Federal reduced recoil buckshot, #00 buck (probably), jumbo safety, pistol grip stock (or regular stock depending on your taste)
    LOTS of practice with it.
    LOTS and LOTS and LOTS, even if not with the buckshot.

    Ask on the shotgun forum.
    1.125 oz of lead pellets (9 in a #00) going about 1200 fps can do an amazing amount of damage and stop threats cold.
     
  14. AStone

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    NYe, welome to THR.

    And yet another vote for shotgun. Just check my user name to find which one I'd recommend.

    The added value of an 870 is this: one can change barrels for different uses, and one can shoot slugs.

    If things get really bad during your life time (which is likely), then you could use the shotgun not only for HD, but for hunting.

    Got 18" bbl? Got HD.

    Got slugs? Got deer.

    Got 26" bbl? Got birds and squirrel.

    There's nothing wrong with a good rifle. I've already got a .22LR, and am adding a center fire to my tool kit asap. (Probably a bolt action .308 or 7mm08, for hunting.)

    But imo, if I had only one gun, it'd be my 870. Hands down, day or night, thick or thin.

    What ever you get, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and go take a good firearms class.

    Good luck with your decision. ;)

    Nem
     
  15. NYenthusiast

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    I will probably purchase a rifle in addition to a shotgun, I think i can own a pistol caliber carbine in New York provided it does not have three of the "evil features" since my state has its own AWB:banghead: ( dont get me started).
     
  16. carebear

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    At 20 feet you can still cover the "spread" of buckshot with your hand. You still have to aim. :rolleyes:

    Also, try a pistol grip only stock before you buy one. They are harder to control and shoot accurately. If you're using it for more than busting off locks and hinges on an entry team, it needs a shoulder stock.
     
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    carebear is right, shotgun spread at "across the room" distances are not much.

    Pistol ammo can overpenetrate as well at least in drywall. Bricks should stop it, but not your average home wall. The Box O'Truth site did some testing on this that was pretty interesting.
     
  18. loose cannon

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    shotguns good moss500/590 or rem870.use a minimum of no4 buck and in winter when they may be wearing heavy coats id go no less than no1buck or 00buck.

    keep the birdshot for practice and pestcontrol.walmart sells 100 round value packs that'd do nicely for range ammo.as for aiming at idoor house distances a rifle and shotgun id treat the same,aim well.

    get a good supply of buck and slugs for shtf/teotwaki.

    if your going to be dealing with distances over 75 feet slugs are the only choice.for these ranges you may want to consider a rifle(7.62x39/.223)i dont recomend pistol caliber carbines for anything but home/cqb by those sensitive to shotgun recoil.
     
  19. AStone

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    I'll pick a minor but important semantic issue with Carebear, whose views I respect, and who otherwise makes an important and valid point above.

    One aims a rilfe & pistol.

    One points a shotgun.

    ;)

    Nem
     
  20. M.E.Eldridge

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    I say shotgun. The scatter gun is a venerable option. If you want a rifle, a like the Yugo SKS and Hi-Point .40 S&W myself.
     
  21. carebear

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    Nem,

    If you ever see me shoot you'll soon accuse me of not aiming my rifles or pistols either. :evil:

    Thanks for the correction. Although "pointing point" is awkward while "aiming point" simply trips off the tongue. :D

    NY,

    As far as ammo goes, I've had good results with the Tactical (reduced recoil) Buckshot from Federal (others make it too I'm sure) Hits just as hard, seems to pattern better in my Mossberg, and is much easier on the shoulder and for rapid follow-up shots.
     
  22. Ala Dan

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    Agreed, a 12 gague shotty stoked with #4 or #6 shot, backed by a couple
    rounds of #4 buckshot just in case~!:uhoh: :cool:
     
  23. Wllm. Legrand

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    Mossberg 500, Rem. 870, Win. 1300 are all good choices in short barrel configuration.

    No need to argue about caliber or "stopping power".

    A 12 ga., no matter if buckshot or birdshot at "in the house" ranges, ends the social encounter decisively with one shot.

    Then get a scoped major caliber center-fire rifle (.308 or .30-06 for ammo availability); then a 10/22. Or reverse that order. With the center fire rifle, get good enough to hit pie sized targets from improvised field positions (not the flippin' bench), under time pressure, with one shot out to 400 yards.

    Turn 21, get a Smith .357 in 4 inch or a .44mag in 6 inch. Practice loading staggered 3 out of 6 in the cylinder to get rid of flinch.

    Get pocket pistol or revolver next, .38 revolver, snub, maybe a discreet .22 or .32.

    Then a 1911.

    Get a .308 battle rifle (M-1A or FAL). Buy 20 mags for it.

    Join a gun club. Get some training ASAP. Practice reloading and mag changes in the dark, on the ground, and with your weak hand. Also practice shooting with your weak hand.

    Get 1000-5000 rounds per weapon.

    Practice at least every two weeks.

    That should cover it for the next few years.
     
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    +1 to everything carebear said. Don't get a pistol-grip only stock. For proper aiming/pointing of the shotgun, you need to be able to shoulder it.

    More important than what gun you end up going with is GETTING TRAINED. Just range time with it is not enough. Imperfect practice won't do much to improve your skills. Get training to learn how to practice perfectly.
     
  25. AStone

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    LOL.

    Agreed. We'll go with the poetry of 'aiming point'.

    Nice to hear this about the RR rnds. Still waiting to get some RR 00 & #4. My shop has been out for a while (haven't been in since well before Christmas).

    If only the manufacturers will wise up and start loading RR #1 buck, then life is even better.
     
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