Home invaders pose as police and take guns

[Carlos Cabeza]

Salisaw, OK. Trooper Rocky Eales. R.I.P.

 

[geekWithA.45]

The Supreme Court Has Been Consistent...

Even criminals, (much less honest men) can use deadly force in resisting attacks by peace officers if the criminal can convince a jury he believed he was under unlawful attack, as distinct from lawful arrest.

http://geekwitha45.blogspot.com/2003_09_07_geekwitha45_archive.html#106340129902393982


There's a giant pile of cases about peace officers bashing in doors, or lying in ambush and opening fire without identifying themselves.

Although public opinion on the topic would be unpredictable, the case law seems pretty settled, and it would seem to apply to no knock raids.

Bashing in the door and coming in shooting and or tossing grenades would make the reasonable person believe he is under attack, thus making repelling boarders a legally defensible option.

Robbers dressed as cops IS a real problem for the cops, because it creates a reasonable doubt in the homeowners mind as to the legitimacy of the guy in the "FBI" windbreaker shouting "Police!".

That being said, I wouldn't shoot a man who politely rings the bell and holds up a badge and a warrant, and waits for the verification calls.

Anyone breaking the door proceeds at their own risk, and being an honest, certified non criminal, it is reasonable to set my default assumption to "doorbreaker = bad guy".

 

[grnzbra]

Does anyone know what kind of penalties are involved in a case of impresonating a police officer to facilitate a crime?

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Does anyone know what kind of penalties are involved in a case of impresonating a police officer to facilitate a crime?

Don't know, but it should be mandatory life in prison, in my opinion.

 

[palehorse]

This seems like a fairly simple thing to resolve, really. Blame it on the boyscout in me, but what about a two tierd door system, like they have in many, if not most department stores.

It's called a vapor barrior. It helps to insulate your home, and it provides two sets of doors that have to be circumvented before someone unauthorized comes into you home. The outer door should be strong, solid and heavy, while the inside door can be more like a typical door on most cookie cutter homes.

I can see nothing but benefits all around, from efficiency to safety, it's your best bet.

And for nay sayers, it's easy to extend a walk up path to include a large storm door without compromising the interior space of your house.

 

[clubsoda22]

Does anyone know what kind of penalties are involved in a case of impresonating a police officer to facilitate a crime?

A legnthy felony sentence. Even the morons who pull people over just to get their rocks off and commit no other crime can get several years. To facilitate the comission of a felony i can the judge easily slapping a decade on an already legnthy sentence for a seriouis felony. In PA it's a mandatory minimum 3 years with no chance of parole on top of anything else.

 

[JoeWang]

Opening your door for the police when they knock is not a law or right of the state.

If they have a warrant or cause they can smash the door in.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

It's called a vapor barrior. It helps to insulate your home, and it provides two sets of doors that have to be circumvented before someone unauthorized comes into you home. The outer door should be strong, solid and heavy, while the inside door can be more like a typical door on most cookie cutter homes.

And you can improve on that by a device which will rain boiling oil on unauthorized people who are between the first door and the second. You can confirm if they are authorized by looking at your monitor.

 

[jsalcedo]

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[jsalcedo]

Would OC sprayers discretely mounted above your front door be considered illegal?

 

[jsalcedo]

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[kbr80]

If you live in the city, before you open the door, call 911 and ask the dispatch op if you should have a unit or three at that address or if the people about to break in your front door posing as cops are real.

That info is all good, but I dont think it works in the famous no knock situation all the LEO's seem to favor.

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

How about OC sprayers? Perhaps mounted discreetly?

What's that you say?... been done already?...

 

[moa]

Last year in Baltimore,MD. a city police team raided the house of a supposed small time drug dealer. The raid alarmed the women of the house who ran screaming through the house.

The so-called dealer did not know what was going down, and got a .45 handgun and basically firing unaimed shots, wounded four LEOs five times out of six shots fired. All the LEOs went to the hospital and survived.

The shooter walked. The city attorney, much to the displeasure of the police chief, decided not to press charges. Apparently the LEOs did not follow proper procedure for the raid.

The shooter held a regular job and could have been arrested on the street or at work any time.

 

[palehorse]

And you can improve on that by a device which will rain boiling oil on unauthorized people who are between the first door and the second. You can confirm if they are authorized by looking at your monitor.

I see your point, and it is amusing. Perhaps some see this solution as extreme or living a life conditioned by fear, That's okay, I guess. I just see it as practial. Some take steps to protect themselves with CCS, others with CCW; I choose an integrated system of it all.

 

[Jay Kominek]

Does anyone know what kind of penalties are involved in a case of impresonating a police officer to facilitate a crime?

Varies by state, as you might expect. Colorado addresses it in C.R.S. 18-8-112, I believe. The legislature is currently considering upping impersonation from a misdemeanor to a felony. The same bill will also include a longer minimum sentence if you use peace officer "paraphenalia" while impersonating an officer.

 

[artherd]

I am going to assume that anyone entering my property by force is violating the law against Breaking and Entering, so therefore they cannot be cops. I will act acordingly if I belive my life or that of a loved one may be in direct jeprody.

 

[Parker Dean]

Originally posted by Abenaki

"Who says they weren't real police?"

I say it's a legit question!
It's not like there has never been a dirty badge!

Abenaki

Too pente-ante a crime IMO, I would hope that any real dirty-cops would have bigger fish to fry.

 

[Parker Dean]

Originally posted by palehorse

This seems like a fairly simple thing to resolve, really. Blame it on the boyscout in me, but what about a two tierd door system, like they have in many, if not most department stores.

It's called a vapor barrior. It helps to insulate your home, and it provides two sets of doors that have to be circumvented before someone unauthorized comes into you home. The outer door should be strong, solid and heavy, while the inside door can be more like a typical door on most cookie cutter homes.

I can see nothing but benefits all around, from efficiency to safety, it's your best bet.

And for nay sayers, it's easy to extend a walk up path to include a large storm door without compromising the interior space of your house.

When there were those home invasions in California a few months back I was thinking that unless the authorities get these invasions stopped cold then there will be a reaction in the home market.

We're probably going to start seeing new-construction homes with just such anti-invasion features as noted above, among others. Just think if a contractor in that community in Cali started offering such features to the terrorized homeowners. I think it would sell like the proverbial hotcakes as long as it wasn't bad looking or intrusive

I'm also mindful of that video segment on American Shooter about Jeff Cooper's house that had some anti-invasion features built in. Looks like he is ahead of the curve again.

 

[ceetee]

A few years ago, down here in SoFla, there was a midnight-shift cop who was burglarizing homes that had been put on his "vacation watch" list. Seemed like perfect crimes, until he broke into a house where the folks had been forced to cancel their vacation, due to illness.

They woke up around 2:00 am to find an armed, uniformed man rifling through their possessions...







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Oh, yeah. I seem to recall that he had a gambling problem, and therefore, it wasn't his fault...

 

[FW]

How about a trap door in the entry way?

 

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QuarterBoreGunner-

Made an interesting point earlier in regard as how the " imitation Leos" knew about the guns in the first place.

Personally I keep a low profile,I keep CCW here only, my other stuff if off site in a walk in vault.

I don't use "tactical" range bags, gun cases , ...heck I use a baseball bat bag to transport shotguns. Backpack for handguns. I know from experience that folks "say things" and these things get repeated until dishonest ears hear them.

Lady came home to find cereal boxes emptied on her kitchen, she blabbed that one too many times.

Kids steal from parents/relatives for drug money...

--Now we had rash of Blue Light Rapist cases, really changed things for all involved.

I'd be interested to see how more court cases do play out.

See what concerns me is the angle if all guns are taken away, then when the Authorities of the State come crashing in...well it is for the protection of the State Offical . "Citizen" does not need protecting, that is what the "State" is for. Now to better protect the Citizens -the State needs to check up on you...at random...no warning...

I'm afraid if the wrong addy is given , no time to call and verify...and the door comes crashing in...well at the moment with my laptop it is only 7 steps to front door...Tueller drill practice needs to be stepped up a bit I see.

 

[P95Carry]

Sad to say Steve .. ''Lo-Pro'' is how it has to be these days. Instead of the pride in ownership etc ... it seems more prudent to keep mouth shut!

Some people (a few) know I carry but do not know what my collection comprizes ... VERY few know that or see them. Pity really cos nothing more enjoyable than a cosy chat around the emptied safe!

Most people round here have a gun or two ... and expect that .. but advertizing a ''collection'' just seems too crazy these days .... pity.

 

[grnzbra]

In PA it's a mandatory minimum 3 years with no chance of parole on top of anything else.

3 years. That's nothing. I don't see why every criminal doesn't dress like a cop to facilitate the crime.

 

[moa]

The thing about people blabbing about your "pieces" is true, with unknown consequences

A friend of mine, who I used to go target shooting with (but no longer) was a big mouth. He and I, and an number of our mutual acqaintenanes, had the same barber.

So, I was none too pleased, when sitting in the barber chair one day, the barber was telling me what "pieces" I owned at the time.