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Home made 22 Hollow points?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Shooter973, Jul 23, 2003.

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  1. Shooter973

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    I have several cartons of round nose High velocity 22 shells and was wondering if cutting a small grove in the nose of the bullet with a knife would enhance expansion in any way? Any body have any experiance doing this and then hunting small game with the modified rounds? Considering how small the Hollows are in some 22 ammo is and that it seems to help, I think this might be a good modification. :confused:
     
  2. 444

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    :D

    When I was a kid, I used to use a knife to cut an "X" in the top of .22 bullets. It seemed like it made them more potent, but who really knows. I wasn't shooting animals that were big enough to recover the bullet.
    There are commercial tools to do what you want. Such as this one: http://www.gunblast.com/Paco.htm
    I bought a similar tool designed by Paco Kelly that uses a file to square off the end of the bullet to make it like a WFN wadcutter type bullet, but I have never shot an animal with one.
    I also read an article one time about enlarging the hollow point cavity and injecting vasoline in the hole to increase expansion. I made some of them up, and made a mess at the same time. I never shot an animal with those either.

    This all brings back fond memories of my childhood.
     
  3. Chipperman

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    I think it would mostly aid in keyholing.
     
  4. cordex

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    Hmmm ... maybe a little bit ... but I don't see that there is a really good reason to do so and a few reasons not to.
    1. .22 hollowpoints are cheap
    2. you aren't likely to be terribly consistant in the material you remove
    3. .22 hollowpoints are cheap
    4. most of the expansion on a .22 seems to be because it uses such soft lead, which means that it'll likely expand whether or not you've cut on it.
    5. .22 hollowpoints are cheap

    I used to play with modifying bullets too (flint in a slightly enlarged hollowpoint does some nifty things), but I don't think they matter all that much with a .22LR
     
  5. 444

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    I really don't see what the cost of a .22 Hollowpoint has to do with trying to improve it's effectiveness. I mean, just because they are cheap doesn't mean we can't try to make them better. But being cheap, experimentation should be the rule of the day.
    I also don't see how enlarging the hollow point cavity would make the bullet keyhole.
    But, try it, as was mentioned, they are cheap, give it a whirl and get back to us with the results. Cut a few, shoot them on paper, see if it keyholes. Shoot a jackrabbit or something and recover the slug, see if it opened up more than a regular HP. They are cheep, experiment.

    When I was doing this, I would have considered it a bonus if they keyholed. We were shooting at stuff that was maybe 10 yards away, but probably closer to five. Hitting a small animal with the side of the bullet would have certainly improved it's effectivness. We got so used to sneaking up on stuff with pellet guns that we continued to do the same thing for years with much more powerful weapons from .22s to rifles, to shotguns. I distinctly remember saying, hey George, you know, we don't have to sneak up to stuff like this anymore, we can shoot from here. And it was kind of a revelation to us both. I remember turning down shots at deer because they were like 50 yards away. I was so used to getting as close as possible, that I considered that to be a sniper shot.
     
  6. CWL

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    I think scoring an 'x' with an x-acto blade would have better -and more consistent- effect.
     
  7. willyjixx

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    i remember pissing off a few rabbits with my crossman pellet rifle. wasnt quite strong enough to break the skin but sure sent em hoppin along. lived in an orange orchard when i was a kid for a bit. maybe i shoulda got closer?


    test your theory on ice blocks an take some pics
     
  8. cordex

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    I still say that modifying round nose .22 into hollow points doesn't make sense to me. Making a more effective hollow point wasn't the question, but can be an amusing exercise. If you plan on making a larger/more effective HP, I'd still advise you to start with a commercial hollow point, as it will be easier to center and easier to drill out/modify.
     
  9. Quantrill

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    Since you already have the HV .22s, why not give it a try? I would like to know whether there is any difference in expansion. Quantrill
     
  10. P95Carry

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    This may help .......

    A good many years ago I was dealing with a high rabbit population on a farm ...... and over summer took something like 135. I used normal velocity (I think Winchester) HP's and most shots were in 50 yd region.

    All hits were accompanied by a solid and resounding ''THWOP'' and the shock effect was obvious. Few if any made it far . usually just rolling over.

    I ran out of these rounds but had a box or two of Aguila round nose ...... and had no time to pick up what I wanted. Loaded up with these for first evening ''tour'' ... and first rabbit I nailed got away .. the hit was good I knew .. but no sound of impact. I fear it made it to burrow and died by bleeding out .... I was not pleased at that outcome.

    I placed some approx 1" steel scrap in lathe and machined what was in effect a .22 chamber .. including a recessed piece to accept rim. Parted that off and re-chucked ... and tuned down other end and bored a small hole .... about 1/16" IIRC. Heated that end and case hardened so guide hole was harder.

    I then set about drilling noses ...... placed a round at a time in dummy ''chamber'' ... and placed on drill table. Thus round was uniformly held .... press was set to drill into bullet nose by fixed amount, thru guide hole ... probably 3/32".

    Now lead is crap to drill .. too soft ... but by using slow speed I could finish up with a fairly clean hole each time. It did I guess remove a grain or two of weight but when tested the 50 yd zero was hardly changed.

    It sounds tedious I know but once I got to it . it did not take long and I then had 100 rnds to tie me over.

    Next day out with this ammo .. sure enough, first victim was hit with a ''THWOP'' ...... instant drop and clean kill.

    That is to me the big difference between HP and RN .. if you want clean quick kills ...... do NOT use RN.

    That's my 0.02 anyways.
     
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    'I used to play with modifying bullets too (flint in a slightly enlarged hollowpoint does some nifty things), but I don't think they matter all that much with a .22LR'
    says cordex :D

    Been there, done that, it does do cool things.:D
     
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    Is this a poor man's hollow point?

    What I used to do was, take a hollow point .22 and hollow it out further with a pocket knife, it seemed to hit with more force but not like a .357mag.:D
     
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    Mannlicher, that is the thing that I was talking about, it is: http://www.hanned.com/

    Cordex, you are right, I guess I got carried away with my own train of thought, I was thinking the whole time he was talking about using hollowpoints which is what we used to play with by cutting the "X"and all that.
     
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    Mannlicher's put you on the right track. Paco Kelly's tool is GREAT for homemade hollowpoints....:D
     
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    Some swear by hollowpoints, but I have always just filed a small metplat and took head shots. Works wonders for me on small game.
    I also never use high velocity loads. Sub-sonics are much more accurate.
     
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    Carving crosses into your bullets will also improve their lethality vs vampires.
     
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    If you had silver bullets with crosses cut in them they would do double duty on werewolves also.
     
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    Too bad they dont penetrate foil hats :)
     
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    i had been considering cutting or filing an off center flat on some .223 as a means of causing it to tumble or at least gyrate off balance in flight

    but then i wondered if this can be considered "altered" ammo which i thought was illegal?

    anyone??
     
  21. Majic

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    You can cast or swage a bullet into any configuration you want provided you have the equipment. Filing and drilling bullets have been done for ages so I can't see you making your bullets unstable in flight be considered illegal. Just my opinion.
     
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    It's only illegal if you alter it to armor-piercing or poison-carrying bullets.

    Filing a .223 off-center won't do anything but mess up your accuracy...:rolleyes:
     
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    true on messing up the accuracy,,,

    but i'd be at close range if i were to use unstable rounds like that

    where accuracy is not absolutely critical

    oh well, just one of those ideas that goes through my head from time to time,,,:rolleyes:

    :D
     
  24. CWL

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    Why in the world would you want your rounds to tumble and keyhole before striking the target? Everything to do with bullet technology has been to try and stabilize them for maximum energy transfer on target.

    You want tumbling of the .223 after targetstrike. Keyholing the bullet will only bleed-off velocity/energy and lack of penetration. That is, if you manage to hit the target with an unstable round.
     
  25. willyjixx

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    what does a piece of flint in a 22 do??
     
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