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m700m
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Moss,500 Defender,"18.5, you can spend more, yet your money would be better used buying ammo and training(patterning)your new HD gun.
XavierBreath
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I agree with m700m. The 12 gauge pump Mossberg 500 Persuader. (Winchester makes the "Defender.")
I prefer the placement of the Mossberg safety, it's ambidexterous and doesn't require you to remove your trigger finger from the triggerguard, same for the slide release. Replace the plastic safety button with a steel one, add a side saddle for spare ammo, and Bob's your uncle. You can get a magazine that holds eight rounds from the factory. The barrel is 20 inches.
The real clincher for the Mossberg is having the shell lifter in the up position when the bolt is forward. Mossberg is the only shotgun among the big three, Remington, Winchester and Mossberg, that allows you to reload the magazine without running the risk of getting your thumb stuck between the shell lifter and the receiver when your adrenaline is pumping.
The advantage of the Remington is a steel receiver instead of the Mossberg's aluminum receiver. That might make a difference if you are going to carry it in the trunk of your police cruiser for the next decade with a bunch of stuff bouncing all over it. If it's going to wait behind a door in your home, the aluminum frame will last a lifetime. The advantage of the Remington's steel receiver is more than made up for by the Mossberg's advantages in design.
Ammunition...... My preference is low recoil 00 buckshot. Invest in hands-on competent training. It's important. A shotgun does not spray a hail of lead that you do not have to aim. You must know how to safely and effectively use the weapon.
The Mossberg 500 is commonly found on pawn shop shelves for under $150 if you are inclined to consider a used gun. Of course, these will usually be a wood stocked 6 round gun with a 28 inch barrel. Buy one with a slick barrel (no rib) and have it cut down to a 18.5 inch cylinder bore and add a brass bead. If you want a black stock, get some black paint or order a synthetic stock and forend from Midway or Brownells. I like the small "corn cob" forend because it will not interfere with the side saddle.
You can read more that I have written about home defense shotguns here. A good comparison of the Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870 can be found here.
Things to avoid: Slings full of shotgun shells, barrels longer than 20 inches, pistol grips, collapsible stocks. I have also found that heat shields are not necessary. The barrel cools off sufficiently while reloading.
I'll move your thread to General Guns.
I prefer the placement of the Mossberg safety, it's ambidexterous and doesn't require you to remove your trigger finger from the triggerguard, same for the slide release. Replace the plastic safety button with a steel one, add a side saddle for spare ammo, and Bob's your uncle. You can get a magazine that holds eight rounds from the factory. The barrel is 20 inches.
The real clincher for the Mossberg is having the shell lifter in the up position when the bolt is forward. Mossberg is the only shotgun among the big three, Remington, Winchester and Mossberg, that allows you to reload the magazine without running the risk of getting your thumb stuck between the shell lifter and the receiver when your adrenaline is pumping.
The advantage of the Remington is a steel receiver instead of the Mossberg's aluminum receiver. That might make a difference if you are going to carry it in the trunk of your police cruiser for the next decade with a bunch of stuff bouncing all over it. If it's going to wait behind a door in your home, the aluminum frame will last a lifetime. The advantage of the Remington's steel receiver is more than made up for by the Mossberg's advantages in design.
Ammunition...... My preference is low recoil 00 buckshot. Invest in hands-on competent training. It's important. A shotgun does not spray a hail of lead that you do not have to aim. You must know how to safely and effectively use the weapon.
The Mossberg 500 is commonly found on pawn shop shelves for under $150 if you are inclined to consider a used gun. Of course, these will usually be a wood stocked 6 round gun with a 28 inch barrel. Buy one with a slick barrel (no rib) and have it cut down to a 18.5 inch cylinder bore and add a brass bead. If you want a black stock, get some black paint or order a synthetic stock and forend from Midway or Brownells. I like the small "corn cob" forend because it will not interfere with the side saddle.
You can read more that I have written about home defense shotguns here. A good comparison of the Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870 can be found here.
Things to avoid: Slings full of shotgun shells, barrels longer than 20 inches, pistol grips, collapsible stocks. I have also found that heat shields are not necessary. The barrel cools off sufficiently while reloading.
I'll move your thread to General Guns.
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The Maverick 88
m700m
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quite right XavierBreath, i own both and still can't get them right.
General Geoff
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After a vigorous afternoon of shooting clays with several friends, and expending at least 1,000 shells of target load, I must disagree with this statement. We had three shotguns at our disposal, but the only one being used for the latter half of the day was my Mossberg 590, precisely because of that heat shield. The other guns' barrels would just heat up to searing temps after two or three tubes full of ammo.
I consider it the best feature of that gun.
XavierBreath
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General Geoff, in that instance, a heat shield would indeed be useful.
The likelihood of needing to put 1000 rounds of buckshot in the general direction of a home intruder makes the heat shield less useful on a home defense shotgun.
The likelihood of needing to put 1000 rounds of buckshot in the general direction of a home intruder makes the heat shield less useful on a home defense shotgun.
General Geoff
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not likely, no, but still very useful for extended practice sessions which are arguably just as important. I'm just saying I'd rather have a heat shield than not...
Ala Dan
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Remington 12 870 Marine Magnum
Nut'in like the sound of a good 'ole pump shotgun racking the slide,
in order to let a potential perp know that you are willing too take
his head slap off~!
Nut'in like the sound of a good 'ole pump shotgun racking the slide,
in order to let a potential perp know that you are willing too take
his head slap off~!
Starship1st
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Have you looked at the NORINCO ULTRA 87 12 GA SHOTGUN at Classic Arms? The cost is $149.00.
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I have a standard Mossberg 500 with a 6 round tube, I'm very happy with it. I bought the combo package 2 years ago from Big 5 for $206 out the door, 28" and 18.5" barrel, too good to pass up. I agree with Xavier about the ergo's on the 500, the safety and the slide release are in the perfect position. I'm only putting about 100 shells a year through mine, so I'm not worried about the aluminum reciever. I'm happy with my Mossy.
JImbothefiveth
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The recoil on that thing is intense. I'm not sure how it compares to that of other shotguns, though, as it's my only one.
halfbreed808
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Remington 870. Remington 870. Remington 870.
hunterSthompson
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new England firearms pardner pump 12ga it's a Remington 870 clone for only 180 $ brand new i have one with the 18 inch barrel and i love it i also have a 26" barrel with a mod choke for the same gun that i use for clays i have have put close to 2000 rounds though it with no problems and you just cant beat the price
Zwetschgen
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The Maverick 88 Security costs 199 for the 6 shot and 209 for the 8 shot, both brand new. Seeing as you are new I would HIGHLY suggest staying away from any pistol grip. I honestly don't know why these are necessary, or even made. No law enforcement agency or any military group uses a pistol grip. Why? It will hurt your hand like crazy. And as far as "more spread" goes as for the post above me, the more spread comes from the multiple shots it is going to take to hit anything when firing from the hip. "Spread" is determined by choke and range, from within a house, even at 15 feet the spread will not be any more than several inches.
The Maverick 88 is a 'knock-off' of the Mossberg 500 (it's made by the same company) The 500/88 are better than the Winchester and Remington for as follows:
1. As previously stated your thumb can get caught under the elavator
2. Safety allows you to keep your finger on the trigger if you need to flip it off (but don't forget the rules of safety!)
3. The Mossberg has 2 extractors to prevent double feeds (unlikely in either gun).
Cosmetically and as far a value is concerned the 870 will probably be flashy and worth more in a decade, but if you are looking for the bottom of the tree, but still perfect to fit your home defense purposes, the Maverick 88 is it.
Also, the Maverick and the 500 share barrels.
The Maverick 88 is a 'knock-off' of the Mossberg 500 (it's made by the same company) The 500/88 are better than the Winchester and Remington for as follows:
1. As previously stated your thumb can get caught under the elavator
2. Safety allows you to keep your finger on the trigger if you need to flip it off (but don't forget the rules of safety!)
3. The Mossberg has 2 extractors to prevent double feeds (unlikely in either gun).
Cosmetically and as far a value is concerned the 870 will probably be flashy and worth more in a decade, but if you are looking for the bottom of the tree, but still perfect to fit your home defense purposes, the Maverick 88 is it.
Also, the Maverick and the 500 share barrels.
Zwetschgen
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206 for the 8 shot, and well, you may not be new to firearms, but since you asked I assumed... sorry...
I actually own a Maverick 88 that i bought around ten years ago new for $139.00 and have fired many,many boxes of shells through it dove hunting.
It is very reliable.
I personally recommend the Mossberg 500 over the Maverick simply for the ease of use the 500 safety gives you over the poorly ergonomically placed safety of the Maverick.
For a home defense situation it's worth the extra few bucks.
I cant stand the safety on my Maverick and have contemplated several times buying the 500.
It is very reliable.
I personally recommend the Mossberg 500 over the Maverick simply for the ease of use the 500 safety gives you over the poorly ergonomically placed safety of the Maverick.
For a home defense situation it's worth the extra few bucks.
I cant stand the safety on my Maverick and have contemplated several times buying the 500.
Exactly! My 500 has worked very well in a number of training sessions and it's stock shotgun with no accessories added. I like the ability to shoot buckshot and slugs w/o having to change the barrels, and it's one of the easiest to strip down and clean. For an HD gun it's perfect for me.
One thing that does concern me is selling these guns with the "door buster" on the muzzle. I've seen a number of them at the range and shooter don't have a clue on how to use it. I think they got for the "cool" factor.
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- The one that you've shot enough times that you can shoulder it quickly, naturally, and to the same point-of-aim every single time.
- The one that you've shot often enough that you don't short-stroke the pump when running the gun under psychological pressure.
- The one that you instinctively know how to clear a jam on.
- The one that has accessories on it that you've actually trained with in order to understand how they function.
- The one that has wear marks on it from having many rounds put through it in practice, training, or competitive settings.
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Agree with Justin
Justin,
Excellent Post!
Justin,
Excellent Post!
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