Home Security Cameras

[P89DCSS]

That's not true now and it's probably never been true. Have you missed all of the news about all of the big data breaches? If it's connected to the internet it's not secure....PERIOD!...

Big data breeches equals unsecure home security systems? They are completely unrelated...PERIOD!..... (lol, and don't tell your son you're spreading rumors that government sites' security systems are wide open because you watched him log into one)

Here's why:
One hack has national security and financial benefits, the other hack gets a free view of my lot. A wireless router has the same security as a surveillance system. Cracking router security and hacking into individual routers would yield all sorts of financial info the hacker. Yet nobody has cracked wireless router security such as Netgear's et al.

You're claiming hacking resources would be devoted to a product that yields no financial benefits to the hacker instead of hacking into Netgear et al. Based on your statement above I suppose you don't have a wireless router either?

 

[Jeff White]

Yet nobody has cracked wireless router security such as Netgear's et al.

Really? Do you think that just because it hasn't made the news that it hasn't happened? I assure you that wireless routers have been hacked and they have been used to download child pornography. Some of those cases have made the news. It it's connected to the internet it's not secure and you are looking at the world through very rose colored glasses if you think they are secure.

 

[dh1633pm]

Big data breeches equals unsecure home security systems? They are completely unrelated...PERIOD!..... (lol, and don't tell your son you're spreading rumors that government sites' security systems are wide open because you watched him log into one)

Here's why:
One hack has national security and financial benefits, the other hack gets a free view of my lot. A wireless router has the same security as a surveillance system. Cracking router security and hacking into individual routers would yield all sorts of financial info the hacker. Yet nobody has cracked wireless router security such as Netgear's et al.

You're claiming hacking resources would be devoted to a product that yields no financial benefits to the hacker instead of hacking into Netgear et al. Based on your statement above I suppose you don't have a wireless router either?

There are those here who do all sort of things for a living. Some work firearms and this site is wealth of information. I am not sure I could keep up with 90% of those who post here. Computer Networks are my domain. I earn a lot keeping things secure. I travel the world.

I quoted this because I think your right but also not right. Its too big of a topic to take generically. A wireless router is just that. A device made for home use. It is only secure as who wrote the code and who configured it. Yes it does provide some protection, but like it was said earlier if it connects to the Internet it can be hacked. The reason for a home network intrusion is because its easier. Governments and Business spend big bucks on security. Look at Solar Winds. It is a network monitoring and management software suite. Yet they got hacked. Yes, you have less of interest on your network than other targets. That doesn't remove you from being one.

Someone is out there wanting into your network. I see them in my firewall logs right now probing. A 16 digit password can be broken in 60 days. Even less for an eight digit one. Your home network can be an easy target. It pays off when accounts and passwords information to your treasures are compromised. Identities are stolen this way. An 800 credit score is valuable. It also pays off as a location to do other attacks. Would you really want to use your own network to attack a juicy target or break into someones home wireless? Protect your home like you would your firearms. With some care. Pay attention to what you can.

Do you lock your doors at night? Make sure the Firearms are unloaded when they need to be? Its the same with your home network. Get camera's, but maybe set them up a little different. Read the reviews before you buy. Do a search on the Camera Model and Security Flaws. Share what your learn. Ask questions.

If Netgears were unhackable then why do they have a Security Vulnerability Page? And they make a fine home router.

https://kb.netgear.com/000061982/Se...-Mobile-Routers-Modems-Gateways-and-Extenders

Your points are all well taken, but the context of what someone is after is a little wider than one might think. I have worked in Government and Private. The network equipment they use to protect their networks is pretty advanced. Most compromises happen due to mistakes and then flaws in software. A co-work told me yesterday that he found a TV connected to his wireless that wasn't his. Which means compromised wireless which is as simple as someone learning the password. Which if not changed can eventually be broken if one wants to go through the trouble. He turned off wireless to change the passwords but before he left, he streamed Barney Videos to the TV.

Lastly who puts a camera to watch their gun safes?

 

[Sebastian the Ibis]

I have never understood why some people feel safer because they have security cameras. It will not stop the bad guys.

They do when your cameras help catch the burglar that robbed your neighbor’s house before he comes back. So many cases are solved by an observant neighbor, or their camera! There are not that many porch pirates, but the ones that are out there are prolific. If you can identify one in your neighborhood, you can and will prevent your house from getting robbed — or worse.

When you set up cameras try to get the street so you can see a bad guys car, and hopefully a license plate. Talk with your neighbors about setting up cameras covering areas from different angles. I know a guy that got an aggravated battery with a firearm charge dropped (self defense), when his attorneys got the video from a church in my neighborhood that showed the highway, and him being chased by the “victim,” Not the other way round. Video of roads are super informative.

I like hard wired systems as there is less to go wrong once they are set up. Lorex or any of the other brands the sell at Costco are fine.

Also, I recommend multiple smaller systems instead of one comprehensive one. First, unless you live in a condo, you probably want multiple cameras anyways. Second, you probably want them doing different things. Like you want the indoors ones to be completely off/disconnected when you are home, but not the outside ones. Or you want a ring doorbell to let you know someone is there, but a hardwired camera that doesn’t have the warmup lag to get pics of people before they are too close - or you just want pics from somewhere other than the doorbell.

 

[whughett]

Really? Do you think that just because it hasn't made the news that it hasn't happened? I assure you that wireless routers have been hacked and they have been used to download child pornography. Some of those cases have made the news. It it's connected to the internet it's not secure and you are looking at the world through very rose colored glasses if you think they are secure.

Hacked or just unsecured because the owner had not bothered to establish a pass word secured network. Drive around yourself you’ll find unsecured routers are not that uncommon.

 

[CapnMac]

I have never understood why some people feel safer because they have security cameras. It will not stop the bad guys.

It might, as there can be a lot of blind spots around the house--from the inside. This is a significant comfort if a person hears something outside and wants to investigate same from within.

Lastly who puts a camera to watch their gun safes?

I used to, but that was long ago.

 

[AVERAGE-JOE]

There are those here who do all sort of things for a living. Some work firearms and this site is wealth of information. I am not sure I could keep up with 90% of those who post here. Computer Networks are my domain. I earn a lot keeping things secure. I travel the world.

I quoted this because I think your right but also not right. Its too big of a topic to take generically. A wireless router is just that. A device made for home use. It is only secure as who wrote the code and who configured it. Yes it does provide some protection, but like it was said earlier if it connects to the Internet it can be hacked. The reason for a home network intrusion is because its easier. Governments and Business spend big bucks on security. Look at Solar Winds. It is a network monitoring and management software suite. Yet they got hacked. Yes, you have less of interest on your network than other targets. That doesn't remove you from being one.

Someone is out there wanting into your network. I see them in my firewall logs right now probing. A 16 digit password can be broken in 60 days. Even less for an eight digit one. Your home network can be an easy target. It pays off when accounts and passwords information to your treasures are compromised. Identities are stolen this way. An 800 credit score is valuable. It also pays off as a location to do other attacks. Would you really want to use your own network to attack a juicy target or break into someones home wireless? Protect your home like you would your firearms. With some care. Pay attention to what you can.

Do you lock your doors at night? Make sure the Firearms are unloaded when they need to be? Its the same with your home network. Get camera's, but maybe set them up a little different. Read the reviews before you buy. Do a search on the Camera Model and Security Flaws. Share what your learn. Ask questions.

If Netgears were unhackable then why do they have a Security Vulnerability Page? And they make a fine home router.

https://kb.netgear.com/000061982/Se...-Mobile-Routers-Modems-Gateways-and-Extenders

Your points are all well taken, but the context of what someone is after is a little wider than one might think. I have worked in Government and Private. The network equipment they use to protect their networks is pretty advanced. Most compromises happen due to mistakes and then flaws in software. A co-work told me yesterday that he found a TV connected to his wireless that wasn't his. Which means compromised wireless which is as simple as someone learning the password. Which if not changed can eventually be broken if one wants to go through the trouble. He turned off wireless to change the passwords but before he left, he streamed Barney Videos to the TV.

Lastly who puts a camera to watch their gun safes?

I have “inside cameras” for critical locations in the house with a caveat: For privacy sake I do not “record” to my NVR these cameras unless we are going away. This both saves NVR HDD space and privacy. If the “door sensor” breaks for entry in that particular room I can check for “family breach” issues. When we are departing for an extended period it is easy enough for me to log into my NVR and enable recording as I do. I am using a LOREX system in case someone is wondering.

 

[Anchorite]

I’ve been thinking on this as well.....I think the Ethernet models are the way to go....tie directly into your router and work if the power goes down, is how thy have been explained to me.

 

[AVERAGE-JOE]

I've been looking into getting cameras and have settled on Lorex. The ones I want to buy are PoE (power over ethernet) which means it powers and sends data on the same cable, it's 4k resolution, and has H265 storage compression. Also, the cameras themselves are IP66 or IP67 I believe, cast metal housings. I already have a ring doorbell and I'm really not all that impressed with it. I would rather have a hardwired local drive system

I’ve been running a LOREX NVR for at least 5 years. My cams are only 2K (yeah that was a think back then) but it’s been solid all that time. Just purchased a 16cam 32 channel system for a place I am building. Much like my current system I am layered in my approach. Signage noting both home surveillance (security) and video surveillance via LOREX clearly visible in the front and rear of my yard. Next are nuisance plants in front of easy entry windows along with blinds for those windows to thwart prying eyes. Finally, are the systems themselves, IP67 cameras with IR for night operation around the perimeter of the home catching all, close cam coverage for entries, security sensors for doors, windows, etc. finally on the inside cameras for critical areas (NOT RECORDING unless we are away to spare some privacy and storage space) and window “break sensors” and motion sensors.

The approach has actually saved me some headache, not for security but was able to detect the inevitable water seepage from my hot water heater while away once and walked my wife through shutting and draining the system without a flood.

Love the LOREX with a caveat:

you need to be mindful of NVR placement. If you are home running the cameras to the NVR which can provide POE everything works flawlessly. IF the cameras are attached to your home network and the NVR is not in this IDF/MDF (wiring closet) or you have any kind of network segmentation going on where the NVR is not providing DHCP then there is the need to search and claim the cameras into the system. Nutshell, be mindful of how the Ethernet is run, and where those connections terminate. My current installation video was an after thought and running the NVR where the patch panel is located wasn’t an option, plus I wanted the NVR in a secured spot in the house.
Final note: IR at night is just meh for detail, my reason for close coverage for entries, I run lights there at night and the IR is then not used so all detail of the image is retained at closer range for those points of ingress/egress. Also be mindful of the “degree of coverage” for camera types and distance when designing your layout.

 

[AVERAGE-JOE]

I’ve been thinking on this as well.....I think the Ethernet models are the way to go....tie directly into your router and work if the power goes down, is how thy have been explained to me.

flawless if tied directly to the NVR for power, in my current system I have to “search and claim” as I have a very complicated home network (that’s kind of my thing). I just installed a system for my brother where the SW did a better job of realizing the MAC address of the device and auto claiming to appropriate channel regardless of IP changes. Having bought what I have a couple times for my folks and family I’ve found the best time is around Christmas for Black Friday sales otherwise it is on the pricier side.

 

[PWC]

For folks trying to understand for possible implenentation themselves...what are all the acronyms?

 

[AVERAGE-JOE]

For folks trying to understand for possible implenentation themselves...what are all the acronyms?

Sorry about that, I get jamming and just go blabber type:

NVR - Network Video Recorder (brains and recorder for the various camera feeds)

MAC - Media Access Control (physical address assigned to the Ethernet interface of a camera this is hard coded by a manufacturer and doesn’t change)

POE - power over Ethernet (standard way of provided power and Ethernet connectivity to devices like cameras)

SW - software

IDF/MDF - intermediate/main distribution frame - nutshell where Ethernet cabling from data devices, computers, wireless access points and these cameras would all home run back to - often just called a wiring closet or something the like


If possible, it is easiest to just plug all the IP cameras directly into the Network Video Recorder as with the LOREX one it provides the power, provides an IP address and will maintain camera with channel auto-magically. I didn’t do that in my current running system as I feel like some obscurity for the recorder is necessary as a dirt bag could just trash that and circumvent the surveillance capture. Hope that all makes sense and again sorry for the acronyms, I know better than that but was on a tear with my caffeine kicking in. Be well!

 

[earplug]

If someone is smart enough to breech the system, I doubt they would be looking at typical homes to raid.
Our system is primarily set up to show us who or what has been around the home and at what times. It might be able to record a crime on a neighbors property. We have a couple Reolink systems with solar, has been working fine.