Homeland Security Official Arrested

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While I find his actions reprehensible (if true), I don't fault DHS for it.

Extrapolating the failures and problems of one person to an entire group is what the anti-gunners try to do to us. We should be above that.

DHS has its own problems, aside from hiring this idiot.

jh
 
OK the guy's probably scum, but does anyone have a problem with the fact that he's been charged with two counts that he couldn't possibly have committed?

Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested at his residence in Maryland on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla.
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He couldn't have seduced a child or transmitted "harmful material" (whatever that is) to a minor because he was communicating with an FBI agent. Since when is it illegal to want to break the law?
 
PinnedAndRecessed said:
"...The girl was an undercover Polk County Sheriff's Computer Crimes detective, the sheriff's office said..."
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While I don't excuse this Homeland Security guy, it sure seems that more and more local Sheriff and state LEOs are prowling on-line... Some of this supervision is needed, I am sure, but what actual police duty is being neglected while police surf the net?

=> An additional question is jurisdiction and I am surprised nobody has yet raised it... a Sheriff posing as a teenager on-line is more than likely out of his/her jurisdiction as well as baiting potential law-breakers... I sense that one of these cases is going to the Supreme Court soon...
 
I dont care if if it was neighborhod watch mom in canada, who turns this piece of human pond scum into the FBI.

I have little girl. Something has to be done to take down these inhuman pervert, waste of air, maggot infested, evil scroutbags.

I dont really dig the gov. I worked for them most my life. But this is a good use of gov money.

Find them , bust them, put there on TV, and put them in the general population in the worst prison you can muster up.

Then ,,,Mabe these freak of nature types will think twice...............:cuss:
 
If found guilty, this slimeball deserves to be hung from the highest tree by his nuts! :fire:
 
OK the guy's probably scum, but does anyone have a problem with the fact that he's been charged with two counts that he couldn't possibly have committed?
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If it had been a real 13 year old girl and her mother had intercepted the pics prior to the girl seeing them would you say no crime was committed?

Should a prostitute or a John caught in a sting not be charged with anything?

A drug dealer that sells to an undercover cop?

Someone who thinks they are hiring a hitman but really dealing with an LEO?

Are all these people innocent because the people they were dealing with were not who they thought and wouldn't do what they were requesting?
 
As best I can tell from the article it's all an electronic fantasy.

There has to be a physical act on the part of the alleged perpetrator. Something to indicate they actually performed the acts on the computer.

Because of the ability to easily forge things that are electronic you need that.

If there were an araingment to meet. And he went. That might be enough but he'd actually have to meet with a 13 year old or someone who could fake it and get get them to acknowledge what they were there for.

Sending something via mail with prints on it could be acceptable.

The cost of setting someone up like that would be expensive, so Occams Razor should apply for us mere mortals.
 
If this was reminiscent of the 'Fatherland,' then it's likely the guy would never have been apprehended, much less prosecuted. So that's one plus. We have powerful people trip, fall, and get caught on a regular basis and they end up going to prison for it. Tom Delay might be the latest.

This DHS person was just a press secretary, and probably not responsible for investigation or enforcement.

Too bad they couldn't do as good a job on the white-gloved one, currently living (exiled) in Bahrain.

jmm
 
beerslurpy said:
What is ironic is that actual 14 year old girls dont appear to be soliciting sex on the internet and getting picked up by pedophiles. Rather, FBI agents appear to be soliciting sex with adults and inducing them to cross state lines for sex.
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That's not completely true. A couple of years ago I read about a 13-year old girl in (IIRC) Danbury, CT, who met a "older man" (late 20's? 30's?) on the Internet, then started meeting him for sex. He was real, she was real -- and then she was dead, because he strangled her and dumped the body.

I'm not certain, but my recollection is that he was also an illegal alien. Anybody remember that case?

[Edit]Found a link

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/23/60II/main523017.shtml

It says he was Brazilian, but it doesn't say he was illegal. Also doesn't say he wasn't.
 
I'm not sure what the civil liberties content is here. . . except the one or two posters who seem to think that this poor innocent guy didn't really intend to commit statutory rape. :rolleyes:
Entrapment is when the authorities talk someone into doing something they wouldn't otherwise do. When an agent pretends to be a 14 year old girl, and the subject arranges to travel across state lines with the stated intention of having sex with the "girl," he has not been entrapped.
 
www.perverted-justice.com has 47 convictions this year for this type of offense.

There is precedent and until the full chat log is released we don't know who messaged who first. But if you want an eye-opener, crate an dunderaged Yahoo ID, go into a chat room and just wait. Don't type anything but time it and see how long it takes to be solicited for sex


c):{
 
Real pedophiles (around here at least) appear to be molesting relatives and neighbors rather than people online, which is definitely not a problem for federal police.
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+1. I've been investigating these for about 15 years now (just did an
alleged victim interview yesterday). I can tell you that convictions,
even arrests, are hard to get without some very strong evidence. I
would imagine the FBI probably has a good case against this guy.

That said (yeah, anyone who reads my posts knew this was coming),
I find it interesting how fast this guy was arrested compared to the
perps against the teenager who testified on Capitol Hill a couple days
ago about how he was enticed by online predators, even molested by
some in person. He later turned over 1500 (yes, that's two 0's) names
to LE of people who contacted him over the last 5 years and there
has been ONE arrest to date. Likewise, I've seen some rather slow
responses myself to local cases --not the fed's fault, but the local LE.
I've also seen juries...well, I'm not going to get into spineless people
who don't have the guts to make the really tough decisions.

But, hey, I'm glad the one at DHS was arrested!
 
Stetson, I feel disgusted just thinking about what you described. Better to know about it though. I am tempted to try it, but I think I would rather not.
 
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