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homemade shotgun slugs

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by huntsman, Jan 8, 2009.

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  1. huntsman

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    I like his reloading kit. Where do you get one of those.
     
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    So if Im understanding him, non rifled slugs are accurate out of a non rifled barrel? Can anyone offer more insight into this? Or exactly how accurate you could expect non rifled slugs in a non rifled barrel to be? otherwise, very cool.
     
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    Rifled slugs dont pick up rifling in the barrel of the shotgun but rather after they have left it due to the rifling on the slug cutting into the air. Some people believe that slugs really dont spin much at all and if this is true than the video may be correct. He never really defines what long ranges he is referring to and he seems to be pretty close to the target in the video.
     
  5. huntsman

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    Lee used to sell them, maybe you could find it on Ebay.
    I posted this link because what he is doing was just so simple.
     
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    Thanks huntsman Im going to check them out. I love the simplicity of it also.
     
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    In the opening of the vid I am guessing he is shooting at his target about 50 yards away? I wonder where he got his load data. The Lee slug comes in 1 oz. and 7/8 oz. I would guess the 1 oz. to be a little over or right at 500 gr. His slugs are solid, compared to the Lee which has a slot and somewhat hollow. It looks like he is getting pretty good accuracy. He doesn't even need to use a star crimp starter and it looks like an 8 fold crimp. I wonder what hulls those are Remington ? It looks like he lives in UT.
     
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    Hes not using a Lee slug mold. He is simply using 500gr of lead and melting it down and pouring it into what I assume is a close to .73 diameter wooden mold.
     
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    He said a board with a 5/8" hole drilled which would be .625
     
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    1 oz. = 437.5 grains.
     
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    It wouldnt seem a .625 slug would give any illusion of good accuracy out of a 12 bore even if you accounted for oversize slop in the wooden mold.
     
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    It's people like Bushboy who give handloading a bad name. How he hasn't blown himself up is beyond my understanding.

    His slugs range from 1 1/8+ to 1 1/4+ They are made of wheel weights, WHICH ARE NOT PURE LEAD. NEITHER ARE THE 'LEAD BB'S' HE RECOMMENDS.

    Pushing a hard lead slug thru a shotgun with any amount of choke is asking for trouble. The shape of the slug doesn't even have a hollow cavity in the base that COULD collapse under the constriction of the choke.

    I didn't bother to look up what load 21 grains of Unique is compatible with, as I am SURE it doesn't list a solid slug cast of wheel weights as a load.

    I would call Bushboy an idiot, but it would be a compliment.
     
  13. Virginian

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    Oh my God!
    I didn't have the guts to watch his "How to Make Black Powder" video. It could just as well be titled "Death Wish V".
     
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    The "rifling" on a rifled slug is merely to allow space for the lead to be crushed into as it passes through the choke. If fired through a cylinder it will start the slug spinning, but only at a very lazy and completely ineffective rate.

    The hollow in the back of the slug, or that tail thing that Brenneke has, is what provides the stability, not the so called rifling.
     
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    I have Lee loaders in 410, 28, 20, 16, 12, and 10 gauge they get stupid on price of the 10 ga 28ga and 410's on ebay. if you take your time. you can get a 12 ga or 20 ga set reasonable
    Roy
     
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    Perhaps he hasn't "blown himself up" because his load recipe is a perfectly valid one? You being the expert, what part of his video did you find to be incorrect?

    Perhaps you *might want to* look up that load info after all.

    His base load, just a hair over 1 1/8oz lead and 21gr of Unique, is actually a light, low pressure load. Approx 1200fps at 8500psi. Both loads, the 1 1/8oz and the 1 1/4oz are perfectly safe, by the book loads.

    And, as long as we're here, the hollow cavity in a Foster-type slug isn't so it'll compress through a choke....and BushBoy's slug is a .625 diam inside a plastic shotcup wad. It'll fit quite easily through even a full choked barrel.

    Damn, the stuff you learn by reading these forums!

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    With cheap factory slugs (walmart/winchester) I can get 3-4 inch groups at 50 yards. Looks like he was doing the same, at about 40% of that cost.

    Primer, powder, lead, hell, probably even cheaper than $6 per 25 rnds.
     
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    Years ago one of the gun writers took rifled slugs, marked a heavy line along its side with a crayon, handloaded them, and shot them at butcher paper. The slugs rotated little if at all. The rifling has no practical value from a smoothbore.
     
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    While I'm not ready to give up my Brenneke or Sluggers and I'm going to buy a Lee Slug mould for when I can't get commercial slugs, the video info is filed away for and if TSHTF and my other options aren't available.
     
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    Yes, it is actually.
    And to allow it to expand to fit the bore like a hollow-base Minie Ball.
    And to make it lighter in the back then in the front.

    Forster & Brenneke style slugs fly point first and stable for the same reason a badminton shuttlecock does.
    It is heavy in front and light in the back.

    Slug rifling cannot provide spin, because the supersonic shock-wave over the blunt nose creates an air burble behind it, and no laminar air flow over the "rifling" can take place to make the air spin the slug.
    The rifling vanes are effectively "stalled out" until the slug goes below sub-sonic at extended ranges past 50 yards or more.

    The "rifling" really is to give excess lead a place to go when shot through tighter chokes.

    rc
     
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    the .625 slug is essentially a sabot, since it's loaded into a shot cup/wad, as far as I could tell. Wouldn't the choke be deforming the shot cup, rather than the slug, anyway? Also, it is possible that he only shoots these through a cylinder choke. He probably should have mentioned that for other people's safety, but that doesn't mean what HE was doing was unsafe.
     
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    No, it isn't actually. It has nothing to do with it, in fact.

    The hollow base is for stability in flight, nothing more. It has nothing to do with fitting through the choke. Rifled slugs have grooves, (rifling of a sort) that compress to fit through the choke. Some brands of rifled Foster-type slugs have bars molded into the bottoms that prevent the hollow from collapsing, others have X's molded in for the same reason. Some slugs even have a glass marble shoved up into the hollow base to prevent collapsing. Brenneke "rifled slugs" are even molded solid with no hollow.

    The hollow has nothing to do with fitting through the choke.

    Foster-type slugs also do not expand to fit the bore. They tend to collapse in upon themselves. To expand, they would have to have a gas seal ON the slug with no padding/wadding behind them. The gas seal, though, is created by the wadding behind it and it tends to collapse the slug in front. That's why so many diff methods of keeping them straight exists.

    Anyone found any problems with his reloading method yet?

    rich
     
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    I'd like to know what hulls/wads. I just won a LL 12 gauge on ebay. Not going to do this anytime soon, but maybe next spring when the weather is nice. He said "AA wads", but that doesn't mean anything to me. Also wonder what an equivalent charge of promo would be. Have to start breaking out some load data now.
     
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    Here ya go, some Promo recipes.

    http://www.alliantpowder.com/reload...s/powderlist.aspx&type=2&powderid=22&gauge=12

    I would probably not drill a 5/8 hole in a board to cast slugs when the Lee or Lyman slug mold is pretty darn reasonable unless that was the last option. Accurate load data is already established for both to take any guessing out of the equation. Like RandKL pointed out, it can be done but I would get a Lyman or Lee slug mold just for accuracy and or safety's sake.

    http://www.ballisticproducts.com/products.asp?dept=148
     
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