Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by gbran, Oct 1, 2008.
Sounds like the Judge ruled!!!
It killed the guy.
I love how the media mentioned the pistol, typical.
to be fair though, many people have been killed with .22lr, and I'm sure some have even been killed with air guns, but certainly woldnt use either for SD/HD unless I had NO other choice. You can also kill some with your bare hands or an ice pick or hammer, but many of us still carry guns anyways.
Just because something has killed a person, especially based on a single incident, doesnt make it a particulary effective weapon, nor does it maen there arent many more effective ones, with a more proven record.
either way though, it worked this time on 1 out of 2 hits, so It's likely better than a sharp stick, at least.
Let's hope they become "in common use," as well
You can, but the 45 Colt is a much better choice if you are only going to fire one projectile.
Now, 000 buck on the other hand....
I didn't see anywhere in the article that the weapon used in this instance was a Judge. I have a Bond Arms derringer that is also 45/410. I'm just sayin'...
I usually wear it on my ankle when riding my H-D. I keep it loaded with one .410 shell and one .45 round. It's set to fire the .410 first and follow with the .45. It's really a fun gun to shoot and while I've never had to use it for self defense it's a comfort to know it's there in a pinch. Of course, I often have a .380 in my front pocket and a 9mm on my hip. Is that too much?
+1 Dirty Dawg. I didn't see where it said it was a Judge. It could have been a Bond Arms Derringer or the like...
or a Vaquero... or even a Thunder 5 (stretch)
Don't bring a BB gun to a .410 gun fight.
It was 10:30 P.M. so I doubt that the home-owner could see that the guns being pointed at him were BB guns. He had every right to fight a deadly threat with deadly force.
I'm not sure about the stopping power of "The Judge", though, loaded with .410 shotgun shells. Seems like the 2 perps might have been capable of returning fire (if they had real weapons, i.e.).
I think of the judge as a 5 shot derringer. Its a weapon designed to be used at point blank range and it excels in that.
People will malign it because it cannot accurately shoot .45 LC slugs at 50 yards(or 25). While it is true that it isn't an accurate weapon, its a silly complaint to make about what is essentially a contact distance weapon. Does anyone whine because the glock 22 doesn't work well for silhoutte shooting?
I don't plan on ever getting one but if I happen to be gifted one or win one, I will be keeping it in the glovebox of my car, for use against potential car jackers and the like. And i'd keep at least 2 or 3 of the chambers loaded with .45 LC.
Another senseless brutal killing of a child in the gun violence epidemic....
Laments the brady bunch.
Point is he had a gun not a sharp stick. It was a single 67 year old man against 2 young felons intent on stealing and who knows what else. A snake load for a couple of snakes is quite fitting as far as I'm concerned and it tickles my giggle when I think of all the keyboard commando's on various forums including this one who denigrate my choice of a 20 gauge with #4 turkey loads as insufficient for home defense. For all of those who think the old boy should have been using a 45 colt I say he used what he had and it was where it needed to be and he used it. I would have preferred he had a 45 too but he didn't. He had a 410 and he stopped an attack and possibly saved himself from a beating and possibly death.
A couple of toilet bugs trying to rob a working man got exactly what they deserved. Well one of them did. I'm sure the other one will plead down and spend a year or two in jail.
On the Taurus website video it says that the barrell is rifled which causes the shot column to spread out. Wouldn't that make the shot column pull down and to the shooter's right?
Doesn't matter if he had a permit or not. He was on his own property when he pulled it out and used it to defend himself. At that point, it doesn't matter if it was in his car, or his pocket, he was on his own private property when he used it.
I think it says something of the pair's intelligence that a gunshot wound to the head was a "non-critical injury."
It's a FACE gun....stick in the BGs face and pull the trigger....5 FEET range more likely!
I have never seen a 5 shot derringer, although I guess they could exist. Derringers are not repeating firearms such as revolvers and are limited to one round per chamber with the chamber having to be manually reloaded before it can be fired a second time.. Derringers tend to be smaller guns. The Judge is a repeating firearm (revolver) and is anything but small.
Before writing off the 410 as ineffective for SD, have you ever seen a 3" 410 buckshot round? Five pellets of 000 at >1200fps ain't too shabby.
I think it's the perfect "automobile" SD weapon.. Just as the video shows, it's very effective at close range. (ie: while being carjacked.)
And good for the ol' fella!! Tell it to da judge!!
'Course, the "non-critical injury" might have been a result of a couple of pellets striking the eyeballs.
Which, I suspect, would tend to suspend hostilities and end a promising career in crime.
Maybe so, but the realities of gunfight dynamics shows us that even if those guys had been armed with real guns, after receiving the first two blasts, they are not likely to stick around to see if he has any more ammo. They had BB guns so they didn't expect any resistance from a senior citizen whom they intended to intimidate. That is a typical BG. The easiest, most defenseless victims. They are all cowards. So, had they had real weapons, they may have been CAPABLE of returning fire; they just may have been to busy doing other things (like getting out of the kill zone) to return fire or at least return effective fire.
A potential robbery foiled by an armed citizen. Whether the handgun used is effective is somewhat irrelevant. It stopped the robbery which was it's intended use.
From the safety of our homes we can debate the relative benefits of .410 shot vs 45 LC until the cows come home. On a driveway in Nashville TN a 67 year old man bested two armed men a third of his age. Call me strange but I call that an effective weapon.
Yeah, I wondered about that.
It's like......well, duh!
He won with what he had at hand - a tool and will...it counts.
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